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UJ, your argument has a vital flaw. It ignores those of the public that have taken drugs, and still don't see them as a good thing.

I took drugs for about 6 months at the age of 14. Those 6 months are largely lost to me. All I know is that I was a fucked up psychotic teenager, but little solid memories remain.

And what happens when one E isn't enough anymore to hit that high? You've said it yourself, the shit you get on the streets isn't as pure as it used to be. Do you start taking additional pills, risking overdosing? Start mixing drugs and risk becoming a fucked individual like I was?

Don't get me wrong, if a person chooses to take drugs, that is their choice, and I will say nothing about it. But don't go painting drugs with a rosey tint.

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Macker: fair points made.

I based the whole argument over my own personal experience with ecstasy. I am fortunate enough to have a control over any substances I have take/taken in my life. I don’t have an addictive personality (if that’s what its called) therefore, I now when to stop and when to say no. Moderation is the key word.

I suppose that makes me biased. And quite possibly blind to the fact that not everyone has great experiences when it comes to drug-taking. Not everyone can say no or stop.

It is not business to ask what you were taking in that 6 month period – but it sounds like you were taking more than just E’s.

Again, the flaw in my argument is due to my rose tinted view on the subject. I never spoil myself. When one E may never be enough - overdosing is something I have never gotten near too. That’s just me – and I should have taken others into consideration when I wrote the ‘argument’. Everyone is different and therefore everyone reacts differently.

Mixing drugs? Again, my argument was just about the ecstasy generation. If people are gonna mix it up with speed, that’s not my problem. But I can understand that if you can no longer hit that high with a few E’s – then you’re gonna start experimenting to take it to the next level. I should have brought this into the argument a little more.

Macker said: “It ignores those of the public that have taken drugs, and still don't see them as a good thing.”

- Again, my mistake or flaw is that I wrote it with me in mind and the experiences of friends. Taking ecstasy has never turned anyone “I KNOW” into a psychotic fucked up individual.

BUT: I know someone who also takes coke – and, yes – when you mix its not the most rose tinted path you can take.

I don’t want to offend anyone with my views on the subject. I’m not naïve enough either to assume that drug-taking is some kind of angelic pastime that only brings good down onto people. It can fuck you up.

Cheers for the comments.


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It is not business to ask what you were taking in that 6 month period ? but it sounds like you were taking more than just E?s.

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Yes, I took alot more than E's, after I stopped hitting that high. I honestly can't remember much from that time, its just a big blackhole in my memory.

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thats pretty impressive for a guy witha perfect memory




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"I based the whole argument over my own personal experience with ecstasy. I am fortunate enough to have a control over any substances I have take/taken in my life. I don’t have an addictive personality (if that’s what its called) therefore, I now when to stop and when to say no. Moderation is the key word."

1. Ask 99% of hopelessly addicted people, they will likely tell you the same thing or something very similar.

2. You don't have to roll around in the mud to know that it gets you dirty.

3. My best clubbing experience isn't your normal one. I was maybe 14. 7th grade. We had had some school dance that night, we were all dressed up and happy and I was with a group of about 20 people when we thought to "hit the town", as only 13 and 14 year olds can. We went to a resteraunt and had milkshakes. Then, I'm not sure how, but somebody managed to swing us getting into the smokey old Blue's club that was in the basement. This was your quintessential blue's club, mind you. Cigar smoke haze all over the place, people drinking bourbon and whiskey, old black man in suits off in the corner playing drums and basses, and a little dance floor about 20 feet by 20 feet. We all got on that dance floor and just grooved. I was 14. I hadn't yet taken drugs, nor had all the bullshit self-consciousness or the teenage years yet set in. We all stuck out like sore thumbs of course, but the club regulars thought it was solid. Some black ladies came onto the floor and started dancing with us. All 20 of us, all sober, just grooving around without pretense, with old black men from their booths watching us and snapping their fingers with smiles on their faces. Just having fun and being euphoric. It was grand. I can't claim to be an even adequate dancer, but I could feel it that night. Just grooved. Swing baby baby swing. One with the music. One with the club. One with the dance floor. One with my friends. No hang-ups, no pretense, no ulterior motives, no drugs of any kind. Just grooving. Swing baby baby swing. It is a bit hard to describe, but I would have to say it was pure ecstacy.

A few hours of later, not a one of us had sat down. It was time to go though. On my way out, a black guy, probably in his 70s, wearing a pin striped suit, your classic bluesman archytype, grabbed me from his stool on my way out. He took his cigar out of his mouth, and said "young man...THAT is how you do it."

I had no clue what he meant at the time, but I assumed it was a compliment and thanked him. He nodded and went back to his drink with a sort of thoughtfully sad look on his face.

I think, as the years have passed, I am beginning to understand what he meant.

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"I based the whole argument over my own personal experience with ecstasy. I am fortunate enough to have a control over any substances I have take/taken in my life. I don’t have an addictive personality (if that’s what its called) therefore, I now when to stop and when to say no. Moderation is the key word."

1. Ask 99% of hopelessly addicted people, they will likely tell you the same thing or something very similar.

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Dammit, I just withdrew from the asylum and this comes up! This is one of my areas of philosophical pride and I wish I could engage you all here.

Unfortunately, I must abide by my word and commitment to getting into school. Hopefully we can get another one going sometime.

I do have to comment on one line by UJ:

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People should be free to explore the realms of their own consciousness as long as it doesn't impinge on the freedom of others.

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Nice topic UJ. I agrees with most of it. I've done the pill thing, don;t do it anymore but I know the arguments and I agree. Of course it can be dangerous and can send you pshychotic I should know. I was'nt known as 'Mr Paranoia' for nothing. But still I cannot remeber anytime better than the feeling of complete 'at oneness' withmyself and others that I experienced in fields, tents and dance floors.

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I'm not convinced that long-term or even long-term HEAVY use of MDMA necessarily causes serotonin receptor down-regulation. I know several people who've been using the drug heavily over the past year or two and they don't suffer from long-term depression, although some tend to feel a little blue a couple days after their high. I can't speak for everyone, but my MDMA use has actually *improved* my long-term affective state - I am noticably happier, calmer, and more relaxed for having taken Ecstasy several times over the past nine months. Part of this is due to other factors in my life, including hormonal change, but I firmly believe that MDMA has had a positive long-term effect on my emotional well-being.

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Theres a nice little thread going on in:

alt.music.trance at the moment

example posts:

"60-70 people have died taking E in 15 years. Every year around 33,000 people die due to alcohol. You are more likely to die by choking on a cabbage leaf than you are to die from taking E. But alcohol is legal...and E's aren't? Where is the sense in this?!?!"


"A few notes on E (most of these things would become obsolete if MDMA ever became legal... but whatever...)... mostly the reasons why I don't do it (I'm a partykid out in Vancouver... and I'm offered pretty much at every party...)

MDMA is non-addictive. The state of mind can be, however... I don't think this would be a problem for me, since it's possible to acheive the high through non-chemical means...

The comedown from E is annoying. They call it "Sketchy Sunday" for a reason. Forget sleep for the day.

E pills are very easily laced with a lot of different drugs, such as DXM, PCP, heroin, and other shit like that. While 90% of the time it doesn't happen, and most of the time it's in very small quanities, small enough not to make much difference. That being said though, UBC (University of British Columbia) has been looking at confiscated pills from around the city and the results can be scary. I'd just rather not take the risk.

MDMA releases Seratonin into the brain, giving a euphoric "happy" high. There is a link from overuse to depression later in life.

People are called E-tards for a reason".



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Did anybody notice the fact that this cartoon contradicts itself? It has Chelle using a vibrator inside her room, and yet by the way you can see the sun through the window, it would appear that you are looking outside through the window, yet you are supposed to be looking in to her room.

A paradox.

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Originally posted by SocialParasite:
Did anybody notice the fact that this cartoon contradicts itself? It has Chelle using a vibrator inside her room, and yet by the way you can see the sun through the window, it would appear that you are looking outside through the window, yet you are supposed to be looking in to her room.

A paradox.

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I think you're in the wrong thread. But think L-shaped house, perhaps.

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My fault, so sorry ... correcting it now.

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