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Nutrimentia
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Does anyone think that a massive military response is the wrong answer?

I can't see how going on the warpath is a good thing. It won't solve anything, only kill and injure thousans, potentially millions, more. It will tighten the resolve of whoever did it and only serve to perpetuate the circle of violence.

I am not foolish enough to think that Bush is going to sit on his hands here, but I think his response is going to be morally worse than theirs. What sickens me even more is that millions of Americans will laud him as a hero for killing thousands of undeserving folks.

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We should do anything we have to, to insure our citizens can go to fucking work so they can feed their families with out the threat of some zealots trying to kill them because they have different views than they do.
Wipe them out as far as I’m concerned. If they cant worship their god with out needing to kill people who don’t fuck them and their god. I would have the same opinion if I was living in the days of the inquisition, I don’t give a fuck what god you worship...you can even dislike people who don’t worship your god, but killing them is way way over the line.

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What if the best way to insure that they never attacked again was to restrain your response?

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Wipe them out as far as I’m concerned. If they cant worship their god with out needing to kill people who don’t fuck them and their god. I would have the same opinion if I was living in the days of the inquisition, I don’t give a fuck what god you worship...you can even dislike people who don’t worship your god, but killing them is way way over the line.


You do have to understand that "Islamic" and "terrorist" are NOT synonyms.

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well against who would a military strike go right now. noone claims responsible for the actions sofar.. palestineas was a hoax as it seems .. taliban ? who knows by now ...

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You do have to understand that "Islamic" and "terrorist" are NOT synonyms.


I know that, their religion itself is supposed to be peaceful and accepting though isnt it? These terrorist have twisted it to allow them to be shit bags in the name of their god...I say wipe them out. We either accept this kinda of shit or we don’t…either the elimination of this kind of action is going to be Darwinism or the people who they target are going to be victims of Darwinism. We get to choose which path Darwinism takes at this point.

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Afganistan have denied that Osamar Bin Laden is responsible

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It won't be a war unless another nation is involved.. otherwise we are just going to use alot of our smart weapons and special forces to find and kill the people responsible..

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The people whom supported this should be arrested and tried.

If guilty a public execution should be administered.

Everyone whom had prior knowlege.

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Afganistan have denied that Osamar Bin Laden is responsible


Afganistan is probably on his payroll. Terrorism experts have been saying all morning that the style in which the attacks occured point directly to him.


Oh, and to answer Nute's question.... HELL MOTHER FUCKING YEAH A MILITARY RESPONSE IS THE BEST ANSWER. I HOPE THEY FIND THE ASSHOLES AND FLY A PLANE INTO EACH OF THEM. PISS ON THEM AND PISS ON THEIR COUNTRYMEN WHO ARE DANCING IN THE STREETS OF PALESTINE. I HOPE WE MAKE THEM BURN!!!!.

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I refuse to have sympathy for a terriorist group. I refuse to stand by and let someone kill thousands of innocent people to make themselves feel better. I don't know who started it, who did it, but I damn well expect Bush finish it. With whatever means nessissary.

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Orrin Hatch was just talking about how certain people need to be put back in power in Afghanastan, McCain just called it an Act of War.

Did I hear that wrong?

Ruh Roh.

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Hopefully the US won't play into the terrorists hands on this.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is used to commit ops against every terrorist group that targets the US though.

What the Government will want to do is show the American people that this thing can't happen again.

Eradication of terrorist groups would be a good message I suppose.

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Venus, go read Paint's post about equating middle eastern Islam with terrorism. I am all for punishing the groups who did this, but I'm guess that if Bin Laden is responsible, he will be hiding in a major city. I wouldn't put it past Bush to level the city in retaliation. It is that extreme over reaction that I feel is unwarranted.

Make no mistake though, I am not saying that we should just roll over. Just that we shouldn't kill more innocents while giving the jiihad more fuel, effectively perpetuating the cycle and playing into their hands.

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Starting a war of some sort is presumably part of their plan. Do you want to fulfil their plan for them. Do it right, plan it out and get some other people on your side.

A guy on the BBC was saying that the governments of Egypt, Syria etc. could be toppled by popular uprisings supporting these attacks. The governments which replace them will be even more liable to sponsor and support terrorist acts against the West. It is essential to get the people responsible and not thousands of others...

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As I Said in the other thread. If Bin Laden denies responsibilty then it will probably be true,. Terrorists tend to claim responsibilty for their actions. It makes no logical sense to attack something and not claim repsonsibilty. This is only something based on my experience of terrorism in this country. If a suspect condemns something then they are prolly telling the truth. Terrorists are very proud people and want recognition for thier actions.

I just saw Arafat on TV and he looked genuinely shocked btw.

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As I Said in the other thread. If Bin Laden denies responsibilty then it will probably be true,. Terrorists tend to claim responsibilty for their actions. It makes no logical sense to attack something and not claim repsonsibilty.


Sometimes, I believe, terrorists may do this in order that blame is wrongly ascribed and action precipituosly taken. The loyalists have certainly done this, notably in the 1960's where they bombed 2 reservoirs and blamed the IRA, right at the beginning of the troubles, exactly to cause anti-catholic sentiment and prevent reform in Northern Ireland. This is rather bigger, obviously, but if it causes escalation of tension within and between middle eastern countries, especially if helped by precipitate US action, they may achieve their aims with respect to derailing any peace with Israel. Hezbollah, etc. do not recognise the peace deals nor the legitimacy of the state of Israel.

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My personal hate figure Kissinger has just said that this cannot be responded too with a singular responsive attack and will need 'systematic' retaliation.

He was very cagey about saying 'war' but that is ewhat he is saying. He also implied that the rest of the Western world will be coerced into this in support of the US.

I don't want a war.

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My personal hate figure Kissinger has just said that this cannot be responded too with a singular responsive attack and will need 'systematic' retaliation.

He was very cagey about saying 'war' but that is ewhat he is saying. He also implied that the rest of the Western world will be coerced into this in support of the US.

I don't want a war.


He just wants a hunting licence for Arabs. Open season, no limits.

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i wont shed a tear if the entire muslim world is pounded to dust to punish the few responsible

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i wont shed a tear if the entire muslim world is pounded to dust to punish the few responsible


i will... that would be genocide.

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fine, so be it

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The islamic population is filled with devout religious people. There are a few whom make all the noise but they are a small minority.

I doubt this action took more than thirty or fourty people to pull off. It of course required planning, training, and lots of money.

I for one am not willing to persecute a whole class of people because a few people did something wrong.

On the other hand there is no way the CIA and FBI did not know this was going to happen. They had prior knowlege about Oklahoma City but failed to stop it. I believe this could have been avoided.

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