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Todays attack was not just an attack on America. It was an attck on the Civilised World. As much as I and many of you argue, there will always be something that brings us together. The macarbreness of horrific death and tragedy of today is one such thing.

As I have already said to one such person privately, this is a day that will exist in our memory like those days of the Second World War.

I sincerely hope that clam and reflection of this disaster is taken on board before responsive action is taken accordingly. I do not want war. But I cannot deny that this act is an act of wr on the civilised world. The World Trade Centre is just that, a centre of world trade. The people inside that have died are not just americans, they are euroepans, japanese, africans and memebers from around the world. The Centre is not a symbol of AMerica it is a symbol of the civilised trading world. As you all know I am not a lover of rampant capitalism, however I do see its virtues, and the Trade Centre promotes those values that while having excesses also have benefits. Those values are the values that have been attacked today. It has not been a nation that has been attacked. We all have.

I take this moment, and I apologise for doing this in yet another post, to express my hope that the stability of the world will not be destroyed by this incident. I fear though in my hear of hearts that stability and peace may not be possible because it has alreday been broken.

I go to bed tonight with anxiety in my heart for the safety of all of us in the coiming weeks and monthes, and continue to hope that the word 'escalation' does not become the buzzword of the media.

Good night and may your God go with you.

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i remember watching a show 3 years ago, it said that the bible predicted that a major war event in 2001 or 2005. i dont believe in the bible but its creepy.

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i just have a real bad bad feeling about it all.

when i first saw the news today after it happened, it seemed so surreal.

As i walked into the living room, i was told:

"its the end of the world.............."

And for a few seonds I believed it to be the case.

Still might be the case.

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I shivered when I noted in another thread that todays date is in fact 911...

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This was not an act of war.

There was no conquest. They don't want to move here.

It was not a coup. Our government is unchanged.

It was a calculated and planned reprisal for the manipulation and interference of the US government in the Middle east.

It was a supremely cowardly act.

It was not perpetrated by a government but was most likely aided by one.
This was not an act of war. It was a crime.

Those responsible should be prosecuted. Bombs will miss some of the guilty and kill 500 innocent people for every guilty one.

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Well spoken Spooky. We will get through this, and be stronger because of it.

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It was a crime.

Those responsible should be prosecuted. Bombs will miss some of the guilty and kill 500 innocent people for every guilty one.

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I think that this is the right attitude. Bombs won't help.

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I agree completely with Dog Breath. Bombs are not the answer. Killing more innocents is hardly the right stance to take. I really hope it doesn't degenerate to that.

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Uh, hi again.

America has a tradition for not finishing things. We didn't finish WW2, Korean, Nam, Desert Storm or the Embassy bombings. We are supposed to not be the aggressor nation. Surgical strikes? Unlikely, or they would have been done at the time of the Embassy bombings. We let the cold war happen by not going after Russia like some thought we should do. Sadam still lives, Osama bin Laden still lives, etc. Why are we the ones that have to hold up to all these responsiblities of being the merciful nation when all it does is set us up for later retaliations?

This would have to be a major step forward(or back, depending on your mindset) to change our foreign policy.

I'm not sure what I think about all this really, but I know if I was Islamic, or even *looked* like I was middle eastern, I would not leave my house. I wonder if my Indian, or Pakistanian friends will be on campus tomorrow. Racial tension runs high.

I don't know what I think we should do, but I think the American people won't be appeased until something blows up big time.

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i love you to sp00ky

and jimmy

something better get blown up and it wont be US soil this time

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I wonder if my Indian, or Pakistanian friends will be on campus tomorrow. Racial tension runs high.

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I agree. I think we need to find out who did it, and send in something like SEAL's to wipe out the Tango cells.
Melesse

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Every American statement on the 'unknown' kamikaze-bombers I've heard so far describes them as "cowardly." I have some serious questions about this that bear considering.

How is premeditatively committing a very painful (if quick) suicide by flying a plane into a building a 'cowardly' act?

Is it anymore cowardly than bombing civilians into ground beef from flying fortresses and floating tanks, as we and our allies have done in every foreign war America has fought since 1940?

Is it anymore cowardly than Hiroshima (which incidentally was done in part to save American GI's)?

And why does everyone assume it's the Muslims? I've never seen a single piece of evidence or reasoning to suggest that Bin Laden or any Islamic fundamentalist group is responsible for these attacks, or for the other terrorist attacks that have been blamed on Bin Laden over the last few years. Could someone please tell me why they have been singled out, or is it simply because they have been quoted as hating Americans and wanting them to die? There are a lot of people who hate Americans and want them to die; Muslims are not the lonely few. Are we instead just looking for a skapegoat?



In any case, I have mixed feelings about this tragedy, personally. I shed no tears for the capitalist scumfucks and their operations that went down with the WTC, but for everyone one of them there surely must be a hundred innocents killed. This is horrible.

And they didn't even get Powell, Bush, or Cheney.

I mean, I understand fanaticism and the sort of motivations that might provoke this kind of bloodshed, but it's still shocking and sickening to the heart. Jesus Christ.

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...And they didn't even get Powell, Bush, or Cheney.

I mean, I understand fanaticism ...

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I know. Irony's a beautiful thing, isn't it, G?

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It was not perpetrated by a government but was most likely aided by one. This was not an act of war. It was a crime.

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i want blood and lots of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Todays attack was not just an attack on America. It was an attack on the Civilised World. As much as I and many of you argue, there will always be something that brings us together. The macarbreness of horrific death and tragedy of today is one such thing."

Thank you, Spook.
Like everyone else, I have been reeling from the barbarism of these actions. It was difficult to encapsulate my emotions. But you are right, Spooky. This unites us in shock, sadness and anger, despite any ideological differences we might have.
I'm still at a bit of a loss.

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This unites us in shock, sadness and anger, despite any ideological differences we might have.

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How is premeditatively committing a very painful (if quick) suicide by flying a plane into a building a 'cowardly' act?

Is it anymore cowardly than bombing civilians into ground beef from flying fortresses and floating tanks, as we and our allies have done in every foreign war America has fought since 1940?

Is it anymore cowardly than Hiroshima (which incidentally was done in part to save American GI's)?

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