Registered: Aug 2000
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DAMN!

my little bro, who gragamated a couple years ago, who just got married a few months ago JUST GOT THE COOLEST SUV!

2000something... it's a ford that's all I know

Black

6 cd disc changer

leather seats

it's so yuppie that they have headphones and seperate adjustable air conditioning vents
they better not breed yet.

granted he got a sweet deal, it's market value started at 30, now it is around 23, he got it for 16.

bastard

he is 4 years younger than me

I'm still eating the cheapest freezedried foods, and driving a car that may not last much longer.
... naw I'm not a failure

no no no

... mmm....

piss

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You oughta steal his truck and crash it into his garage.

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Registered: Aug 2000
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no, he's the bro that I like.

I'm just tired of struggling. It seems so easy for some people to make money, & I can't. I dont have... what?

buisness sense?

:P

I'm just fustrated

I wish I could find a manager.

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Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Van Diemen's Land.
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You're a great artist, which has to count for something. If it's not materialistic worth, it's defiantly valuable, and something I'd give a lot away to have.

Aside from that, start breaking laws to make money. There is a whole world of crime just waiting for you. Tax-free, pays well, and you work your own hours. Sounds great to me.

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Registered: Aug 2000
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it's hard to enjoy having a tallent when I wonder how I'm gonna pay bills from month to month.

I'm sick of taking hand-me-downs, and I'm sick of having no choice but to take my friend's charity.
I like to spend money on other people, not vica versa.



Sometimes I wish I was ignorant and pretty, so then I could just marry well and be done with these matters.

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Location: California
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I would say your priorities in life are different than his.

I have no doubt you could find work as a corporate artist / illustrator and a nice yuppy husband to buy you an SUV. You could quite easily pull down over 100K together and live in a nice house in a nice nieghborhood with a white picket fence.

Why didn't that happen? You are too independent for some guy to snag as a trophy wife with huge mellons. You have your own form of expression and your own priorities which define you as a Starving Artist with huge mellons.

Don't be fooled. The high road is the one that pays little. There are two sides to that fence. How many people would give up their imitation little suburban lives to have your talent?
Would you trade your outlet for creative expression for a nice quiet repressed life that includes an SUV?

I hope the hell not!

When all is said and done you can say "Look what I have created" You brother will only be able to say "Look what I have".

Buck up sweetheart! Great tallent rarely comes with huge gazongas. Unless you sing Opera.

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My other brother's wife is an opera singer.

Irony? perhaps!

I never wanted to be a starving artist, and hell I'm not starving, just poor.

most of the people who were able to make it as artists in the 20th century had somone else support them or had money coming in from somewhere else....

poo!

now I have to find a second normal job, because I am not making enough money, when am I going to find the time to make cool shit when I am working 60+ hrs at 'normal' jobs?

I bitch cos I am fustrated. I dont know what to do.

I wish I could get a loan to take care of some of this, but nobody is gonna give me a loan because I am not able to make payments on the ones I have now.

tallent doesn't mean shit unless I can do something with it

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Location: California
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I understand this is a rant over your frustration in the inequity of life. You have every right to rant.

I agree talent will not make you successful without opportunity. Opportunity will also not make you successful without something to offer. Opportunity does falls in your lap at a moment's notice, talent does not.

Whom among us can say we don't want more? Whom can't say my life could be better if I could only get a break?

You can't have everything. I think you are a wonderful person, doesn't that count for anything?

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How much did the red dress cost you?

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well since I wasn't wearing a red dress, nothing.

but seriously. I didn't spend any money on that outfit, because I owned it already from a looonngg time ago. The tickets to that gig were bought by Mish Mary as a thanks for the website (and she wanted me to photograph everything). I did not drink that night either. so, that evening cost me just the amout of $ that it took to drive to my friend's house.

My bro isn't into materialism, he's just better with finances.
I however am not

& thank you Mr Dog it does matter

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DAMN!

my little bro, who gragamated a couple years ago, who just got married a few months ago JUST GOT THE COOLEST SUV!

2000something... it's a ford that's all I know

Black

6 cd disc changer

leather seats

it's so yuppie that they have headphones and seperate adjustable air conditioning vents
they better not breed yet.

granted he got a sweet deal, it's market value started at 30, now it is around 23, he got it for 16.

bastard

he is 4 years younger than me

I'm still eating the cheapest freezedried foods, and driving a car that may not last much longer.
... naw I'm not a failure

no no no

... mmm....

piss

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I totally understand how you feel PMG, we sort of have the same problem.

When I am working I have no energy to come home and be creative and make stuff, it's basically take care of the dogs and myself and relax in front of the computer.

I also lack the space to work in. If I want to make something, I have to live with mess for however long it takes to make.

But alternately, when I am not working and have free time I also have no money to survive which makes me very stressed and that stifles any creative urges.

So, what to do?

I have a car in my driveway that I can't use cause it needs a new clutch. I have cracks in my walls where you can see light from the outside coming through. Everyone I know, with the exception of one or two people, are doing really well financially and have all the nice things of life.

But I have to agree with DB. I have actually had a really interesting life so far by taking the road less travelled. I have done loads of different things. I feel proud of my accomplishments.

I am trying right now to be able to bridge that gap between having to make enough money to have a decent quality of life and living out my fullest creative potential.

It isn't easy. Some days I am in despair over it. And for me that despair turns to paralysis, and I am stuck frozen doing nothing because it's the safest place to be.

I keep looking around thinking wtf is wrong with me that I can't just have a normal life like everyone else. A decent car, clothes that aren't threadbare, to be able to pay my bills...it doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

I just had a big falling out with my best friend over this issue. She has always had someone looking out for her, helping her. She had creative parents who stuck her in art school when she was a little kid and encouraged her and her brother to pursue art. She lived at home and had her art college paid for by her family. When she moved out it was with her wealthy boyfriend who paid for everything. I have never known her to have a full time job, and the jobs she has had are never to pay the bills, they are to buy her clothes and so on. She has finally established herself as a commercial photographer but I don't think she could have done it in the same time frame without all the assistance. I don't think she is aware that my circumstances are entirely opposite, so when she sees me not producing work, or getting into binds, she comes down on me hard. I finally told her that I had enough of her criticism, and we aren't speaking. I am happy for her success and think it's great she had so much support, it just hurts me that she can't see how my life is so much different.

*sigh*

I hate losing friends over this stuff.

I am just trying to do my best in this world. And have a happy life in the process.

*sigh*

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We all make choices in life. Sometimes, we feel as if those choices were not choices but things we had to do. There is no instinct, only choice. The sum of our lives results from the choices we do make in life. Your life as you know it right now is the sum of your choices. You chose to not have the posh life by being the artist you are. By learning from our choices, we grow. Understanding our choices makes us stronger. Our choices make up our lives. Sometimes, we find we made the wrong choice. Others, we are quite proud of what we did. Nonetheless, there is always that part of us that must say something about the fact that the choice we made isn't making us happy right now. I know how that goes. I'm not really sure if this is of any help to you at all. Probably not. Just thought I'd share my feelings on the matter.

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when you have money, there are no obstacles.

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when you have money, there are no obstacles.

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Wow, that's how I feel at family reunions.

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Money and looks will get you everything.

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does a lot of money make up for the looks part?

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It can, just take a look at some hard rock bands, the guys are ugly but have everything.

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As soon as I am disgustingly rich I will make you my live in artist, so that my walls have constantly changing murals. Then you will worry about nothing.

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Registered: Jul 2000
Location: southern island
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I've always heard this term "haves and have nots" used with those that have a computer and are online compared to those that do not . anyway, I struge every mounth, I don't have a car at all, I eat frozen microwave dinners almost every night, hell my tv isn't even working right (I got 13 channles right now). I'd go postal if I thought about this too much. Came close a few times belive me. Half the people in this forum are better off then I am. My mother and father never gave me shit, I don't have friends that know people, I'm always being turned down, turned away, shut out. Yeah, It pisses me off sometimes. I mean, you study and work and it never seems to pay off, ever. But, Money although needed isn't everything. Maybe it's my own delusion, but if your happy with yourself , got enough to get by, and remember that it can always get worse, life isn't so bad. At least I'm not a stuck up snoob driving a BMW or SUV. I don't make fun of people who are poorer or don't have the few things I got. I'm hummble. I don't think it's fair or right that some people have advanges over people who struge everyday just to get by. We are no less talented or skilled. It's not right they got they picked and we did not. But if I learned one thing it's this: LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Even if I had a little money, I'd still want to stuggle a little bit (maybe not like this); lets me know I'm alive. When you stop having to stuggle you stagnate. Or so I've heard; I wouldn't know I'm always stuggleing. hope this cheered you up. lol

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I've been poor and I've been rich.

Rich wins.

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This thread is really, really depressing.

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