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my...brain...is......fried.

i have some questions...

1. is it possible that there was biological or chemical weapons on board of the flights that crashed into the wtc and the pentagon?

*** i heard some stuff from several people that there have been warnings about staying away from new york and dc for that reason.
things being released in the air? i dunno...

2. does anyone else think that the plane that went down in PA, and had all those "heros" on it, was really shot down?
...i dunno...but i havent seen much media on the actual crash site, and no one is much talking about anything that they found out there.
i dunno how many bodies they recovered even..dont you think that sodd?

3. Do yall realize that the govt has known that there was anthrax spores in some places on MONDAY and we didnt find out till wednesday...
i dont like that.

4. did yall know that the us govt knew that the al queda group was trying to purchase uranium in the early 90's?
doesnt that scare the living FUCK out of anyone else?

okay im done.
i needed to vent.

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1. I haven't heard this before not, but I certainly hope not.

2. I *do* think that it's quite likely this plane was shot down. I don't think we'll ever learn the truth though if that were the case.

3. I didn't realize that. I'm not surprised though. They don't want any more hysteria than their already is. Not that I'm saying I agree with them keeping that information private until now..

4. Yes, it does. I'm really glad I don't live in a big city now a days.

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#2 The plane was not shot down.

Planes that crash into things leave craters, and a small debris field.

Planes that are shot down leave a very large debris field a few small craters.

The crater in Pennsylvania was over 10 feet deep.

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I dunno, I was watching a special (I think on TLC or the Discovery channel), and they still have me second guessing if it was or not.

There were F-16's seen flying around the area right before it 'crashed'. And it's obvious the government DID know it was heading towards the White House & was hijacked, that's already been widely reported. You really don't think that the military would do ANYTHING it takes to protect the president/gov't?

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1. That's actually what I said when it first happened. I, like everyone else at the time, was assuming the worst. Since you don't see the workers around there dropping dead a month afterwards, probably I was wrong on assuming that.

2. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Isn't it odd how big of a deal they made that phonecall? The one where they united the widow and the caller-taker-person-chick?

3. Did not know that. Bummer

4. I was aware that they were stealing it. Didn't know they were trying to buy.

4.5555555... Yeah, it does.

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#1. Doubtful. The initial explosions & fire would have incinerated any bio/chem weapons on board.

#2. No, it wasn't shot down. The Air Force scrambled jets, but they were not close enough when the PA plane crashed. (BTW, the jets DID have orders to shoot it down, according to the CNN piece I saw yesterday)

#3. The suspicious letter sent to NBC was reported to the FBI on Sept. 25, but the FBI did not test it until almost a week later, and only then after a private doctor reported the skin lesion on one victim (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/13/nyregion/13HAND.html).

#4 Every terrorist & their mothers have been trying to buy uranium for years. This is quite well known. And scary.

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just a little something I noticed...

a few people are saying they think these anthrax mailing might not me the work of foreign terrorists. With my limited knowledge of hand writing analysis (five books/no formal lessons) a few of the basic tell tells are present on these envelopes they are showing on the news.
First it is very apparent that who ever wrote them was very uncomfortable using our alphabet OR knew the handwriting was going to be analyzed and tried deliberately to mask it, I say uncomfortable with our alphabet because a person deliberately trying to mask would have most probably (very probable/almost definatly) written smaller if he really knew anything about handwriting analysis and was concentrating on masking his hand writing, not to mention the emotion expressed in the extreme downward slat (dislike/contempt/pessimisms) would not have been so apparent.
People very good in handwriting analysis can tell things like everything from where some one was educated (even inside the same country) to their physical health...(that'd be a really cool job) it shouldnt be too hard for them to build an accurate picture of the anthrax mailer.

Plus these guys were looking at crop-dusters, so they had to have had something. A few guys at the crop dusting place said there were guys with them who weren’t among those who hijacked the planes…I think it’s the same guys. Mailing it was a more effective way than dusting imo, especially if they had a limited supply.

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I won't even touch the first part.

But the second part, is an interesting concept.

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BnB i did not know that about crash vs, shot down stuff.
thanks for the info, that DOES make me feel a little teenie weenie bit better about that.
altho, i dont trust my government, and now that we must count on them, i find myself scared shitless.

bill gerat, i hadnt thought about the heat intensity killing the biological/chemical stuff.
good point, again, it makes me feel better


does anyone know if israel has nuclear capabilites?
if i remember correctly they do.
does anyone else think this was a bad time for them to assasinate that prime minister?

dont they realize there is enuff stuff going on right now?

and did anyone see the article in rolling stone about yassir arafatt?
muchos interesting.

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http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no4/olson.htm


In this article about Aum Shinrikyo is a bit about their anthrax experiments in Japan. It shows just how hard it is to kill large groups of people with it.

The US military has nerve agents so powerful that only one drop in a large city's water supply, it would kill everybody in it.

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/d...orism_face.html

Another article with not so good news.

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does anyone know if israel has nuclear capabilites?
if i remember correctly they do.

muchos interesting.

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Yes they do. They have had the capability for some time now. They are the smallest nation with known capability.

If I remember correctly the following nations have it also. ( I think I might be leaving someone out)

USA
Russia
China
Pakistan
India
UK
France
Isreal

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4. did yall know that the us govt knew that the al queda group was trying to purchase uranium in the early 90's?
doesnt that scare the living FUCK out of anyone else?

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just a little something I noticed...

a few people are saying they think these anthrax mailing might not me the work of foreign terrorists. With my limited knowledge of hand writing analysis (five books/no formal lessons) a few of the basic tell tells are present on these envelopes they are showing on the news.
First it is very apparent that who ever wrote them was very uncomfortable using our alphabet OR knew the handwriting was going to be analyzed and tried deliberately to mask it, I say uncomfortable with our alphabet because a person deliberately trying to mask would have most probably (very probable/almost definatly) written smaller if he really knew anything about handwriting analysis and was concentrating on masking his hand writing, not to mention the emotion expressed in the extreme downward slat (dislike/contempt/pessimisms) would not have been so apparent.
People very good in handwriting analysis can tell things like everything from where some one was educated (even inside the same country) to their physical health...(that'd be a really cool job) it shouldnt be too hard for them to build an accurate picture of the anthrax mailer.

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The uranium thing is a bit of a red herring. Having some U is one thing; refining it to weapons-grade and designing the bomb itself is another entirely. A lot of countries have radioactive materials, but few have nuclear weapons...and for good reasons.

The most credible scenario of terrorist use of uranium is that they use it as a poison, actually.

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And according to my handwriting, I am 4.

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I'm not too worried about this stuff, we all have to die sometime and worrying just takes too much energy.

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The uranium thing is a bit of a red herring. Having some U is one thing; refining it to weapons-grade and designing the bomb itself is another entirely. A lot of countries have radioactive materials, but few have nuclear weapons...and for good reasons.

The most credible scenario of terrorist use of uranium is that they use it as a poison, actually.

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For an in-depth story about nuclear weapons, I suggest reading "The Making Of The Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes, available at fine bookstores everywhere. It is a very good book that will explain everything you would want to know and more about this subject.

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The ability to produce weapons-grade material isn't necessary ... they can still create a "dirty nuke" by including a chunk of their radioactive booty in an ordinary truck bomb.

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i have some questions...

1. is it possible that there was biological or chemical weapons on board of the flights that crashed into the wtc and the pentagon?

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Princess....teh FBI, CIA etc know things that very frightening..we have been trying to rid leaders such as Sadam of chemical and biological for many years...We also know Sadam and Al Quedas attempts to get nuclear, some believe it has already happened...I think these facts are playing an important role in what will be the future of the infested areas...we will use this war on terrorism to rid the middle east of its bad nasties, or so I hope..If not, its only a matter of time until they use those weapons again, and god forbid they should be able to sail a nuke into one of our ports..or even more likely, bring it in on or in, an oil tanker...

We must deal with this