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Dingle
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how predictable...
tv stations in Palestine and other anti-US countries are broadcasting that the Bin Laden tape is doctored, or even completely fabricated by the US government.
I bet if Bin Laden himself, in person, told these people he was guilty they'd claim he was brainwashed by the US.
So sad that so many people in this world don't have the ability to think for themselves and form opinions of their own.
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I agree Dingle. It makes me wonder if there can ever be peace.
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You know that was coming. I think some people would defend it by calling it culture...I don’t think ignorance is culture.
And if bin Ladin showed up and said it himself they would think it was a trick of the devil or something.
While watching the tape of them telling their idiotic stories of prophetic dreams I was reminded of the Pentecostal foster home I was in. People talked in tongues all the time and I has never done it. So they all decide to "lay their hand on me and pray for me to talk in tongues. So there I am, 10 years old with all these people praying for god to touch the heart of the dirty little orphan girl. Im not sure if you can appreciate that pressure.
You don’t want to be they only filthy person not worth god's time...you want to talk in tongues too...so you hype your self up and do what is expected. Im so ashamed.
In a situation with those ignorant fukards on the tape, its all they are surrounded by, all the fucking time. Trying to one up each other with their holiness, convincing themselves of their own lies...grown people, still don’t have the ability to reason. Idiotic lemmings.
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quote: The tape, released Thursday by the Bush administration, was dismissed as U.S. propaganda by Malaysia's Muslim opposition.
Leaders of Parti Islam se-Malaysia (PAS), the country's biggest opposition party, said they were still not convinced bin Laden was behind the September 11 attacks.
"It is still not a proven case that he directed it, he planned it or he funded it," said Kamaruddin Jaafar, a senior PAS leader, told Reuters news service.
"It's not a proven case despite this tape," he said.
Most Muslim governments, including Malaysia's, were quiet on the topic of the tape. Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has criticized the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan and called for an end to civilian casualties.
But Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States calls Osama bin Laden a "murderous criminal" in a statement released Thursday, according to Reuters news agency.
"The tape displays the cruel and inhumane face of a murderous criminal who has no respect for the sanctity of human life or the principles of his faith," the report quoted Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz as saying.
Two thumbs up to the saudi prince :+: :+:
http://www.baynews9.com/attack.html
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skalie
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He already was a "murderous criminal" .
Way back when, he was on the FBI's most wanted list the last time I checked it, 1999 I believe, he was number 5 or so. Public opinion didn't deem bombing the fuck out of a third world country necessary at the time.
What is ugly about this whole affair is the presumptuous way the good old US has taken 911 to do what the fuck it always wanted to.
Capitalist fucks.
10 to 1 this whole "war on terrorism" has something to do with the oil trade.
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I'm not quite sure that sending troops to Afghanastan to usurp an organization we helped put in power is "what the fuck we always wanted to do".
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I'm waiting for some Arab-Fucknut to come out and say that the CIA is behind the 9/11 attacks and they never really happened.
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Populus backed blanket bombing was more what I had in mind.
Got the arms manufacturers behind you, got general opinion behind you, it's a win win situation.
No wait there's this thing called the internet that keeps people aware.
Present tense.
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quote: Originally posted by skalie
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What is ugly about this whole affair is the presumptuous way the good old US has taken 911 to do what the fuck it always wanted to.
Capitalist fucks.
10 to 1 this whole "war on terrorism" has something to do with the oil trade.
what are you fucking stupid or something?
Jesus fucking Christ, you’re right we should have killed this fuck a long time ago and listened to every one whine about it...we should have done better than Clinton slinging a few bombs over there then leaving after taking out a pharmacy...but then people like you would still find a reason to fucking cry....have you been under a fucking rock? Have you seen any fucking pictures from New York? The Pentagon? Our biggest sin was letting it fester to appease the fucking crying hippies/liberal/idealistic unrealistic idiots to the point it got big enough to hurt us this badly. Jesus, you’re fucking unbelievable.
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So why is it again that we have been itching to carpet bomb Afghanstan?
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quote: Originally posted by Paint CHiPs
So why is it again that we have been itching to carpet bomb Afghanstan?
Bombs past their use by date.
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Okay, so your argument is that the American elite were glad for terrorist attacks on 9-11 because we have been just waiting to find an excuse to carpet bomb whatever rouge state we could get our hands on?
(another good use of the internet is conspiracy theory)
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quote: Originally posted by euphorbia
have you been under a fucking rock? .
If that means not living in America, yes.
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quote: Originally posted by Paint CHiPs
Okay, so your argument is that the American elite we glad for terrorist attacks on 9-11 because we have been just waiting to find an excuse to carpet bomb whatever rouge state we could get our hands on?
(another good use of the internet is conspiracy theory)
I do have a mental picture of military career minded chaps rubbing their hands in glee, yes.
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quote: Originally posted by skalie
I do have a mental picture of military career minded chaps rubbing their hands in glee, yes.
You said something of "aware" earlier. I presume this is because you have some sort of basis in fact rather than simple blind mistrust of United States foreign policy?
I'm not naive enough to not realize that there were many interests set to benefit from a campaign against Afghanastan, but I'm also not enough of a conspiracy theorist to believe that the power in America were all gleeful about the terrorist attacks and our "golden opportunity" to get involved with Afghanstan. We have had many opportunities in the past, and God knows there have been hundreds of conflicts over many years that we could have involved ourselves in. As far as "but we never had the public support before" thing, that's sort of bullshit. If you don't believe in the American propoganda machine, than you are even LESS distrustful of America than am I. Shit, we even made the Gulf War highly popular in America, and that WAS just about our financial interests.
Point being, I think you're just blowing smoke for the sake of purporting a "US is Bad" mentality. Nobody in America wanted 9-11. In fact, the only people who seem really happy that it occured are the liberal people who have been bugging us to fuck up the Taliban for years now due to human right's concerns. Hardly the right-wing Illuminati you envision.
Saying something like "What is ugly about this whole affair is the presumptuous way the good old US has taken 911 to do what the fuck it always wanted to," is nothing but blind sheepish rhetoric that I'm not particularly interested in hearing unless you have some sort of substanative argument to back yourself up with.
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quote: Originally posted by skalie
10 to 1 this whole "war on terrorism" has something to do with the oil trade.
Yeah, I guess we just lucked out that bin Laden wasn't hiding in Japan. We already have enough walkmans and Toyotas.
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Thanks, skalie!
At times like this, we often find ourselves looking at the world in disbelief. Specifically: we look out fundamentalists who, looking at videotaped testimony of Osama Bin Laden saying "I did it," respond with "it's all a forgery! He's innocent! The zionists blew it up to futher their own plans to knead our children's blood into their passover matzohs!"
We look at these people and we wonder, "Jesus f**king Christ, how can these people be so stupid? How can they just plain ignore all that evidence that's staring them in the face? What twisted logic leads them to these conclusions?"
Your posts provide us with the answer. Once you stop thinking of people who disagree with you as rational actors, and start thinking of them as malevolent demons in human form, psychotic monsters whose only purpose in life is to hurt you--once you assume that those with whom you disagree can only be motivated by malice and evil--then you can arrive at almost ANY conclusion to justify your beliefs.
Of COURSE the Mossad blew up the World Trade Center. And, by the same token, of COURSE the whole war on terrorism is just a facade by military psychopaths who want to kill people for the sheer joy of killing--or perhaps to guarantee the US a supply of oil by bombing a country with no petroleum deposits. There is a key difference between "facts" and "truth"...and when the apparent "facts" contradict the "truth" that those who disagree with you are out to get you, well, then, the facts must be wrong.
No conspiracy is too bizarre to be credible for a mind blinded by prejudice and hatred.
Thanks for the demonstration.
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You know, I don't trust the American government farther than I can chuck one of the members of Congress, but damn that was fucking rediculous.
Skalie, take your meds already cuz your paranoid schizophrenia is starting to show through.
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My point when I walked into this thread, is that Bin Boy was up there in the top five, embasseys in Africa or someit, low profile, relax, not real terrorism really.
911
All of a sudden due to popular opinion, as noted in this thread, a terrorist act by Bin Boy is an excuse to carpet bomb civilians in a country he doesn't even come from.
Uh oh, he's in Pakastan, hope it doesn't effect the cricket.
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quote: Originally posted by skalie
All of a sudden due to popular opinion, as noted in this thread, a terrorist act by Bin Boy is an excuse to carpet bomb civilians in a country he doesn't even come from.
Uh oh, he's in Pakastan, hope it doesn't effect the cricket.
The United States gave the Taliban regime (the leaders of Afghanistan at the time) an ultimatum: hand over Osama bin Laden or we'll come in and take him and throw you out. They said "No, you Infedels, we won't hand him over." So, what were we supposed to do, say "Oh, well, that's okay. Happy Ramadah?" Fuck no.
As for carpet bombing civilians in a country he doesn't come from . . . Well, what are we supposed to do? Bomb Suaudi Arabia? He isn't even there! You don't flush a covey of quail pointed by your dog by kicking the grass five meters to the side of it, you kick the grass DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE DOG.
In all fairness I'd like to hear what you thought the United States should have done.
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quote: Originally posted by skalie
All of a sudden due to popular opinion, as noted in this thread, a terrorist act by Bin Boy is an excuse to carpet bomb civilians in a country he doesn't even come from.
Uh oh, he's in Pakastan, hope it doesn't effect the cricket.
Popular opinion?
He sent his drones to bomb the world trade center.
He killed thousands of fucking people.
Popular opinion is just a symptom of that action.
Use some sense please.
Blind hatred doesn’t make for good debate…it just makes me curse a lot.
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He's been #1 since the USS Cole (you remeber when he actually did something to America). Sorry, we've hated him for a long time now.
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quote: Originally posted by SocialParasite
In all fairness I'd like to hear what you thought the United States should have done.
I'm going to back out of this thread a little, although I know that I can't refrain from replying to comments directed at myself personally.
I think the whole issue of the USA's involvement in recent matters has been covered from all angles in previous posting in this very forum.
And god bless the copy and paste.
What the US should have done? Does the US have a say in the matter?
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