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greenleakynipples
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Aliens have landed! Run for your bottled water!

Alien-like microbes found deep underground


DENVER (AP) --Scientists plumbing the bubbling, black depths of a geothermal hot spring in Idaho have discovered a unique community of microbes that thrive without sunlight or oxygen.

The organisms are similar to life as it might exist on Mars and other planets, the researchers suggested.

The one-celled organisms, known as Archaea, grow by consuming hydrogen that is produced by hot water reacting with bedrock 600 feet (180 meters) below the Beaverhead Mountains. They produce tiny amounts of methane as a byproduct of their weird metabolism.

Although types of Archaea have been found before, this community is unlike anything else on Earth. Details of the discovery appear in Thursday's issue of the Nature.

Most life on Earth flourishes not only in the presence of water, but also relies on oxygen, sunlight and organic carbon. But conditions on the rest of the planets -- and perhaps beyond the solar system -- are far more hostile.

Astrobiologists said these real-life microbes closely resemble what they imagine might be lurking beneath the dry, barren surface of Mars or the thick glaciers of Europa, one of Jupiter's moons.

"No self-respecting organism would want to be on the surface of Mars," said University of Arizona hydrologist Victor Baker, who did not participate in the study. "But if they are in the rocks below the permafrost, you could bring samples back to Earth and look for vestiges of them."

Microbes like these have been the subject of speculation for 30 years. But finding them was another matter. Just for this study, a team of seven government and university scientists spent more than a decade looking for promising locations.

Some places, like hot sulfur vents on the ocean floor, support rich and strange life forms. But they are not entirely devoid of organic carbon sources, since bits of decayed plant life drift to the sea floor and provide food.

The research team surveyed the volcanically active Yellowstone region, home to 80 percent of the world's geysers and half of its geothermal features. They were looking for a subterranean environment that had water but no sunlight, oxygen or organic carbon.

They zeroed in on the Lidy Hot Springs welling up near the border between the states of Idaho and Montana. With the help of landowner Charles E. Wilson, they sank specially designed instruments 600 feet (180 meters) down into the springs, where the subsurface water was 137 degrees Fahrenheit (58 degrees Celsius). They collected the microbes with filters.

In light of the findings, researchers said the question should no longer be whether extreme life exists on Mars and elsewhere.

"Rather, did life originate there, or was it transplanted from Earth?" said University of Colorado planetary scientist Bruce Jakosky.

Other microbes found in the Yellowstone region and other extreme environments have been commercialized. Since they can thrive in high temperatures and even in battery acid, they are used to clean up pollution.

The study's lead author, geochemist Francis H. Chapelle of the U.S. Geological Survey, said he does not foresee a commercial future for the Idaho microbes.

"The water passes through some rhyolite deposits and picks up radioactivity on its way up," he said. "So you might not want to bottle it."

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I thought scientists knew about these organisms already.

I might be refering to different one but I remember reading about a life form that lives in the depths of the earth and can actually survive off of Iron instead of oxygen.

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they are probably very similar to the organisms that live right next to the oceans thermal vents

other such strange life:
http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_...L/ps_vents.html

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In light of the findings, researchers said the question should no longer be whether extreme life exists on Mars and elsewhere.

'Rather, did life originate there, or was it transplanted from Earth?' said University of Colorado planetary scientist Bruce Jakosky. "


They found these organisms ON EARTH. How the FUCK does this answer the question that life exists on Mars?

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They found these organisms ON EARTH. How the FUCK does this answer the question that life exists on Mars?



There is a theory that life could easily have been transferred to or from Earth from or to Mars by collisions with asteroids throwing up rocks from an impacted planet into space (to maybe end up on another planet). There are certainly meteors from Mars on the Earth; I imagine that there are similarly rocks from Earth on Mars.

These sort of archeabacteria might survive to colonise the other planet. Paul Davies has written stuff about this in magazines at least (he is a limey physicist at Adelaide University in Australia, but has written quite a lot of decent pop science).

I also think that people would really like there to be life somewhere else in the universe, preferably really close (like on Mars or Europa, etc.) so they always get excited by anything that might support that desire.

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Okay, I can understand the idea that this means life could survive on Mars. It doesn't mean that it IS on Mars. That's where I'm seeing a problem.

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Smug sometimes your and Goat Boy's conversations make me think that you two represent the alien "pond -life" from which the rest of us evolved.

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Smug sometimes your and Goat Boy's conversations make me think that you two represent the alien "pond -life" from which the rest of us evolved.


We have yet to evolve that far.

Pondlife is a couple of million years off.

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Rosh I think the deal is that this proves there COULD be life on Mars. As in they have now proven that there is a type of organism that could survive in Mars's hostile climate.

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Yes, this proves that there COULD. But the article says that this proves that there IS. That bit I quoted earlier, particularly.

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...heaven forbid a journalist could ever misquote someone.

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Yeah, well, whoever came up with that claim is the idiot, whether the guys said that or the reporter.

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