Caffeine
Caffeine
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 7113 |
Do maturity and honesty grow together?
PMG is the subject of this all.
Story:
She made a post that she needed money, I and several others decided to buy some of her stuff, to help a fellow asylumite out.
I sent her $50 (I believe that was the amount) and was waiting for her painting from June.
Jun 27th we had this conversation:
Session Start: Wed Jun 27 21:59:33 2001
Session Ident: PMG (cuntor@AsylumNation-34922.dublin7.oh.pub-ip.psi.net)
21:59] PMG: heya  that Pic of traffic is a detail, the scanner cut off the left side, which is nothing but black with another circle of light. it's roughly 11 x 9 inches, I'd have to go measure it for you. I sell fer 40. If you want to commission one from me we can do that too, price would depend on size. pay half when commission starts, other half when completed. You approve sketches, so you know what you're getting before I start. I paint woo
22:00] PMG: woops cut of. I can do it on canvas if that's what you perfer.
22:00] Caff^: hmm, i'd have to think about commissioning for one, get more of an idea of what i want
22:00] PMG: that's cool
22:01] Caff^: if you could measure it for me, ill just make sure i have a spot for it. 40 would be fine
22:01] PMG: sure hold on
22:03] PMG: ok it's 11 inches wide and 7 inches high
22:04] Caff^: ok, that'd fit fine actually you have paypal, no?
22:04] PMG: yah
22:04] Caff^: email address?
22:05] PMG: postmodgirl@earthlink.net
22:05] PMG: you pay shipping?
22:05] Caff^: Sure. Shipping will be what? 5?
22:05] PMG: something like that
22:06] Caff^: i'll send 47 in a minute
22:06] PMG: ok werks fer me
22:10] PMG: you're getting a good deal what I'll send besides the painting are care instructions, & a certificate stating when it was painted, on what, and my contact info. If it gets damaged or anything let me know and I'll do the restoration (provided it can be restored) at no cost. Standard deal
22:11] Caff^: so if i somehow spill coffee on my wall.. i get it restored???  
22:11] PMG: oh and pleez email me your home addy
22:11] Caff^: it'll be automatically sent to you, one sec
22:12] PMG: coffee wont damage it unless you soak the thing in it
22:12] Caff^: and if i do...
22:12] PMG: damage is like if it becomes scratched or something.
22:12] PMG: I'll tell you how to fix (a damp cloth for cawfee).
22:21] Caff^: ok, you should have the money
22:22] PMG: yes I'll send it out in a few days I need to print up the material that goes with it (which means going to my bro's haus)
22:22] PMG: tanks
22:22] PMG: you're gonna like this
22:22] Caff^: i already do! thanks
22:23] PMG:
Session Close: Wed Jun 27 23:08:31 2001
Obviously she is going to send it in a few days.
Session Start: Sun Oct 28 22:33:56 2001
22:34] Caffeine: any luck with the tracking number?
22:35] PMG: I cant find it }:
22:35] PMG: I'm gonna call them tomorrow
22:35] Caffeine: how did you ship it?
22:35] PMG: the place where I sent it from should have the info
22:35] PMG: UPS
22:35] Caffeine: what type of shipping though, what was it called?
22:35] PMG: standard
22:36] PMG: ::sigh:: this was supposed to be faster
22:36] PMG: I am being oppressed
22:47] Caffeine: with ground it has a guaranteed date, what was the one on the package?
22:48] PMG: there was no gaunteed date, they said it could arrive as soon as next tuesday (which was last week)
22:48] Caffeine: herm, that date seems to be only for comercial stuff.
22:49] PMG: yah, you pay more for that shit
22:49] PMG: I know you can pay to have it arrive at a specific time too
Session Close: Mon Oct 29 00:18:09 2001
She sent it. Should be here soon.
Session Start: Wed Oct 31 22:54:53 2001
[22:54] Caffeine: any news on the painting?
[22:55] evil-PMG  no
[22:55] evil-PMG I take it you havent gotten it yet?
[22:55] Caffeine sure haven't.
[22:55] Caffeine you sure you sent it?
[22:55] evil-PMG yesh I'm sure
[22:56] evil-PMG I know that it will bounce back to meif it is 'undeliverable'
[22:56] evil-PMG I havent heard back from UPS, but then I havent been home either
[22:57] Caffeine last time there was some confusion about when you sent it... if you havent yet... please do, or just toss me some cash back. I can't really be bothered to worry about this much longer :\
[22:57] evil-PMG understood. It's out there somwhere... :|
[22:58] Caffeine that's not too reassuring. have you gone to the ups place yet?
[22:58] evil-PMG I have been working
[22:59] evil-PMG I have had no time to go there personally
[23:00] evil-PMG Its not like I'm not fustrated either you know
[23:01] Caffeine aye, we all have our problems.
Session Close: Wed Oct 31 23:52:12 2001
Should be here soon.
From: Sara Adrian
Date: 2001/11/02 Fri AM 12:23:11 EST
To: Budnick
Subject: Re: Painting...
well I found out what happened.
it was returned today via return to sender. who ever got it opened it,
wrote on it wrong address, and sent it back.
is your address
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 80822?
I'm done with all this, when I get paid (which will be next wensday at
the latest, I have a job that's getting paid so I may get the $ ooner,
but that's when I get paid at the hardware store) I'll send your money
back via paypal
sorry this got so fucked up
-sara
--
I guess that is just bad luck
Session Start: Sat Nov 10 11:51:14 2001
[11:51] Caffeine: so... what's the current status?
[11:52] PMG: shit. thanks for reminding me. what's your paypal accnt email thingy
[11:53] Caffeine: budnick@rcn.com ... I think
[11:53] PMG: ok
[11:58] PMG: ok thar ya ar!
[11:59] Caffeine: *phew* i'm sure we both want to forget about *that*
[11:59] PMG:
Session Close: Sat Nov 10 13:20:59 2001
Then in chat today:
[23:06] PMG: am I just posting stupid shit,... and you all are just laughinh at me or what
[23:06] PMG: you could give me your thoughts
[23:06] Rosh: i try not to think.
[23:06] mute: dont worry no one responds to mine either
[23:06] PMG: am I the only philosopher here?
[23:06] mute: i philososophize
[23:06] PMG: if you can even call me that :j
[23:06] mute: e face goes EEEE
[23:06] mute: :E
[23:06] PMG: shutup
[23:06] mute: no
[23:07] PMG: ok fine
[23:07] * mute pokes PMG
[23:07] * PMG pokes mute
[23:07] * mute ear flicks PMG
[23:07] lucy: for a mute, you sure talk a lot
[23:07] PMG: ow
[23:07] * PMG stabs mute
[23:07] mute: i dont consider myself talking
[23:07] mute: ack
[23:07] mute: i
[23:07] mute: have been slain
[23:07] * mute dies
[23:07] PMG: don't flick my ear
[23:07] Caffeine: PMG, you know how I feel about your posts.
[23:08] Caffeine: I don't read them and I keep my mouth closed. Except for when I don't
[23:08] PMG: oh like yours have so much more intelectual content than mine do
[23:08] PMG: whatever
[23:08] Caffeine: When did I bring up intellectual content?
[23:08] mute: aha
[23:09] Caffeine: I am 16, I don't need to worry about that stuff.
[23:09] PMG: 
[23:09] mute: when i was 16 i was stupid, and i still am
[23:09] PMG: so what is your point?
[23:09] lucy: one reason why this should be an adult site
[23:09] Caffeine: Just I don't dig your threads.
[23:09] *** Joins: paintchips (~paint771@MindAsylum-25875.resnet.umf.maine.edu)
[23:09] Caffeine: [23:06] PMG: am I just posting stupid shit,... and you all are just laughinh at me or what
[23:09] Caffeine: [23:06] PMG: you could give me your thoughts
[23:09] mute: adult?
[23:09] PMG: and I should care.... why?
[23:09] Caffeine: lunacy, it is 13+ I believe.
[23:09] mute: u ppl bicker a lot?
[23:09] TheWraith: If you didn't care, you wouldn't be asking.
[23:09] lucy: i said should, not is
[23:09] Caffeine: You asked, that is why.
[23:10] PMG: meh, I do and I dont
[23:10] PMG: I am looking for constructive thinking
[23:10] logan: thanks, lucy
[23:10] *** Joins: blank22 (blank@MindAsylum-17633.tampabay.rr.com)
[23:10] Caffeine: Post constructive threads.
[23:10] lucy:
[23:10] PMG: the comment 'its stupid' doesn't give me much to go on
[23:10] mute: aha
[23:10] Caffeine: I didn't say it was stupid.
[23:10] Caffeine: Did I?
[23:10] Caffeine: You quoted me saying that, and I can't find it.
[23:11] PMG: you have in the past
[23:11] Caffeine: Don't misquote me, PMG.
[23:11] Caffeine: OK?
[23:11] Caffeine:
[23:11] mute: group hug?
[23:11] PMG: Jen?
[23:11] * mute falls to the ceiling
[23:11] logan: if you were older than 18 you wouldn't be misquoted
[23:11] lucy: what
[23:11] logan: duh
[23:11] *** Quits: blank22 (Quit: Leaving)
[23:11] Caffeine: "Jen?" is a cry for help I believe.
[23:11] PMG: were we that difficult when we were 16?
[23:12] lucy: you were
[23:12] PMG: HAH
[23:12] PMG: no I think you were
[23:12] Rosh: i responded with a stupid, rambling post.
[23:12] PMG: much more than I was
[23:12] Caffeine: PMG, don't try to say I am less mature than you.
[23:12] lucy: i was an angel
[23:12] Caffeine: We both know I am more mature.
[23:12] Caffeine: at 16.
[23:12] PMG: heh I don't have to 'try'
[23:12] Caffeine: Must I bring up our business deal, pal?
[23:12] Rosh: caff, you're full of shit.
[23:12] PMG: you an angel?
[23:12] PMG: HELL no,
[23:12] Caffeine: Rosh, did someone take your money?
[23:12] mute: do try donot?
[23:12] Rosh: no
[23:12] Caffeine: You defend everyone with tits.
[23:12] PMG: definitely not at 16
[23:12] Caffeine: Fuck off.
[23:13] Caffeine:
[23:13] PMG: I was much more angelic
[23:13] *** Joins: KaylaNCaff (Kayla610@MindAsylum-65346.244.232.52.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net)
[23:13] mute: being mature doesnt mean yer an angel
[23:13] Rosh: no, i say what i think in this particular situation.
[23:13] TheWraith: Thank you, mute.
[23:13] Caffeine: Rosh, I am referring to something you don't know about, with someone who does know about it.
[23:13] mute: im a mature chaotic idiot
[23:13] Caffeine: Must I do this, PMG?
[23:13] Caffeine: Or will you accept the fact?
[23:13] Rosh: i was referring to the "i'm more mature than you"
[23:13] logan: i just hate that i have to get lumped with people like Caffeine
[23:14] PMG: :;snort::
[23:14] PMG: :j
[23:14] * mute sits back and eats popcorn
[23:14] mute: :E
[23:14] Caffeine: Save me the tears.
[23:14] lucy: sorry logan, you're in a whole other class
[23:14] * KaylaNCaff ear flicks mute
[23:14] *** KaylaNCaff is now known as Kayla
[23:14] mute: ack
[23:14] Caffeine: Hi caff.
[23:14] Caffeine: Oh.
[23:14] mute: stupid beetch
[23:14] mute: oops
[23:14] mute: its u
[23:14] logan: a better one, i would hope
[23:14] mute: hi kayla
[23:14] Kayla: ha!
[23:14] PMG: heh there is nothing to accept
[23:14] *** Kayla is now known as a-little-kayla
[23:14] lucy: you can hope
[23:14] a-little-kayla: i accept jeebus as my lord and sabior
[23:14] * mute a-little-mute
[23:15] mute: oops
[23:15] PMG: I knoweth
[23:15] * Caffeine hides kayla in his pocket
[23:15] *** mute is now known as a-little-mute
[23:15] a-little-kayla: hehe im little and pocket sized
[23:15] * a-little-mute beats Caff with a broom stick
[23:15] * a-little-kayla puts a-little-mute in her purse and carries him around for the day
[23:15] *** a-little-mute is now known as ear
[23:15] ear: man im dumb
[23:15] *** ear is now known as mute
[23:15] a-little-kayla: yes
[23:16] a-little-kayla: your an ear
[23:16] a-little-kayla: the ear isn't very intelligent
[23:16] *** a-little-kayla is now known as Kayla
[23:16] mute: i meant to
[23:16] Caffeine: PMG, you are the least mature person over 18 year I know, and there are a lot of immature people at this cesspool.
[23:16] Caffeine: Holy shit I sound like Kuglo.
[23:16] * mute ear flicks PMG
[23:16] Kayla: caff my love, ur turn
[23:16] TheWraith: nah, not enough god and jaw talk, Caffeine.
[23:16] *** Joins: phil_working (~morgaine@MindAsylum-41127.142.33.65.cfl.rr.com)
[23:16] PMG: HEH
[23:16] Kayla: yes caff, talk about your jaw!
[23:16] Caffeine: I got the bitterness going I think, though.
[23:16] PMG: HAHAH
[23:16] PMG: BWAHAHAA
[23:16] Caffeine: My jaw hurts.
[23:17] Caffeine: Ow.
[23:17] Caffeine: Jaw pain.
[23:17] Caffeine: Jesus fuck you. x10
[23:17] TheWraith: Yes, but kuglo's bitterness is clouded by ignorance.
[23:17] Kayla: so does mine....wonder why =-o *death*
[23:17] mute: my friends use the term 'jewed', like when someone rips u off
[23:17] mute: oops
[23:17] Kayla: so do mine
[23:17] lucy: oh, i just hurt myself rolling my eyes
[23:17] mute: i thought he said god and jew talk
[23:17] Kayla: you are not original mute
[23:17] Kayla:
[23:17] PMG: I don't think you're enough of an expert to know what maturity is, let alone judge who is and who is not :j
[23:17] Kayla: dont hurt yourself lucy
[23:17] Kayla: its not good
[23:17] Kayla: hurting yourself that is
[23:17] Rosh: caff, how can you possibly think that i'm more mature than PMG?
[23:18] lucy: too late
[23:18] Caffeine: [22:22] PMG: yes I'll send it out in a few days I need to print up the material that goes with it (which means going to my bro's haus) | Session Close: Wed Jun 27 23:08:31 2001
[23:18] TheWraith: I have a friend that says "jew" whenever "you" is supposed to be used. "Do jew wanna go get a burger?"
[23:18] Caffeine: This is how:
[23:18] mute: i wondered if that's a bad thing to say? cuase i catch myself sayin it
[23:18] mute: j00
[23:18] Kayla: oh *hands lucy a tissue and a cookie* all better
[23:18] Caffeine: Session Start: Sat Nov 10 11:51:14 2001 | [11:51] Caffeine: so... what's the current status
[23:18] PMG: yah yah.
[23:18] Caffeine: How long was that?
[23:18] PMG: so I didn't send it
[23:18] mute: i have an idea
[23:18] Caffeine: June to november?
[23:18] mute: start a thread on maturity
[23:18] Caffeine: You didn't send it, PMG?
[23:18] Kayla: i have a lot of ideas
[23:18] TheWraith: That looks like responsibility, not maturity. If I may chime in.
[23:18] PMG: you gotyour money back
[23:18] lucy: that, strictly speaking, is not maturity, it's responsibility
[23:18] Kayla: they all have to do with cheese and monkey parts
[23:18] PMG: nope
[23:18] Kayla: not a very good idea
[23:18] PMG: I lied
[23:19] Caffeine: Wraith, those mature do not lie about sending things.
[23:19] Rosh: umm.. yes they do
[23:19] lucy: no, those who are honest don't lie
[23:19] Caffeine: well I found out what happened.
[23:19] Caffeine: :
[23:19] Caffeine: : it was returned today via return to sender. who ever got it opened it,
[23:19] Caffeine: : wrote on it wrong address, and sent it back.
[23:19] Caffeine: :
[23:19] Caffeine: : is your address
[23:19] Caffeine: : 1 sleepy hollow dr
[23:19] Caffeine: : flrmmington nj 80822?
[23:19] *** Joins: Wooof-Garrr (~Wooof-Gar@MindAsylum-24012.ipt.aol.com)
[23:19] TheWraith: Caffeine - I don't know if I agree with that. That being said, no criminal is mature.
[23:19] Rosh: maturity isn't the same as honesty
[23:19] logan: thank goodness for mitch hedberg
[23:19] PMG: yep
[23:19] PMG: I lied
[23:19] Caffeine: hey, there is my address.
[23:19] PMG: right there
[23:19] TheWraith: I'm not sure you can infer that.
[23:19] Kayla: there it is
[23:19] Kayla: im gonna stalk you
[23:19] Caffeine: Maturity and honesty grow together, I think.
[23:19] PMG: nay
[23:19] lucy: they can, not always
[23:19] Rosh: so you're saying politicians are all immature?
[23:20] PMG: I decided that I didn't want you to have the painting
[23:20] Rosh: and lawyers?
[23:20] TheWraith: That would be no one in organized crime, or petty crime, is mature.
[23:20] Caffeine: Have you ever heard bush speak?
[23:20] PMG: I was concerned that it would be damaged or destroyed
[23:20] *** Joins: euphorbia (~euphorbia@MindAsylum-55481.hr.hr.cox.net)
[23:20] PMG: so you got your money back
[23:20] TheWraith: hell yes, lawyers would be the most immature folks on the planet.
[23:20] Wooof-Garrr: yeah maturity and honesty grow yeah the older I get the more I start being honest
[23:20] PMG: you have nothing to complain about
[23:20] Rosh: haha. good point, Wraith.
[23:20] Kayla: hahahahah
[23:20] * Astro throws a klondike bar at kayla
[23:20] Kayla: =-o
[23:20] Kayla: i 3 astro
[23:21] Astro: =o)
[23:21] Caffeine: Developement doesn't require honesty?
[23:21] * Kayla gives Astro some snapple and a foot massage
[23:21] Astro: i get love for a klondike bar
[23:21] lucy: nope
[23:21] Caffeine: I disagree.
[23:21] Wooof-Garrr: what would you do for a kolndike bar?
[23:21] Caffeine: I'll make the thread.
[23:21] Astro: i got no snapple here... =o(
[23:21] *** Quits: GoodWillHumping (Quit: http://www.ambertrees.com/tackRules/ tack rules! pictures)
[23:21] Kayla: i dont either
[23:21] PMG: at least I have a highschool diploma
[23:21] TheWraith: ouch
[23:21] Astro: caff should buy us some
[23:21] Kayla: ooh
[23:21] Kayla: low blow *roll eyes*
[23:21] Caffeine: 27 with a HS diploma.
[23:21] Astro: them are fighting words
[23:21] Caffeine: Sweet.
[23:21] PMG: and a bachlors
[23:22] TheWraith: did they teach you how to spell "bachlors" ?
[23:22] Caffeine: I'm 16. Should I have one? In New Jersey, that would be a little impossible.
[23:22] PMG: no we dont learn spelling at my college
[23:22] lucy: she is edjumacated
[23:22] Kayla: i think they did
[23:22] PMG: :j
[23:22] * Kayla hands TheWraith a cookie
[23:22] PMG: yesh I es emdumakated
[23:22] *** Chan-away is now known as Chantrea
[23:22] Kayla: anyone else want a cookie or some snapple while im up?
[23:22] PMG: you droped out
[23:22] TheWraith: What is your bachelors in?
[23:22] lucy: hi trea
[23:22] PMG: fine arts
[23:22] lucy: who did?
[23:22] Caffeine: You weren't afraid of chelle's breaking though, were you PMG? You still waited a nice long while.
[23:22] Chantrea: hi lucy
[23:23] TheWraith: Ah, basket weaving...
[23:23] PMG: she has hers
[23:23] PMG: hehe basketweaving
[23:23] Kayla: hahahah
[23:23] PMG: whatever you wanna call it
[23:23] * Kayla gives an invisible humor point to TheWraith
[23:23] Caffeine: How many threads did you whore yourself out in for paintings too? Is that being mature, not being able to support yourself?
[23:23] PMG: I seem to be doing just fine
[23:23] Caffeine: You also seemed to be sending me a painting.
[23:24] Caffeine: Funny that.
[23:24] TheWraith: I would have a problem associating financial stability with maturity, directly.
[23:24] PMG: I also changed my mind
[23:24] Kayla: im gonna draw monkeys on poster board and send them out for money..who will buy one?
[23:24] Caffeine: I will buy one if I can beat you with the board after.
[23:24] Wooof-Garrr: I'll take one
[23:24] Rosh: i'm just curious.. what do you define as maturity?
[23:24] Kayla: really??
[23:24] Wooof-Garrr: I like monkeys
[23:24] PMG: Indeed
[23:24] Kayla: i do too!
[23:24] *** Quits: mute (Quit: HYPERTRIBE 2.5)
[23:24] TheWraith: Who you asking, Rosh?
[23:24] Kayla: PMG will you buy a monkey painting from me?
[23:24] Caffeine: Being well developed, mentally, usually through learning by experience.
[23:24] Caffeine: Everyone, I think.
[23:25] Kayla: i will entitle it "monkey, oh monkey"
[23:25] PMG: I can paint my own monkeys
[23:25] Kayla: bitch :
[23:25] Caffeine: I can paint my own invisible paintings too.
[23:25] PMG: I'm not much of a fan of monkey art
[23:25] Wooof-Garrr: monkeys are cools
[23:25] Caffeine: How are things, Linus?
[23:25] lucy: by that definition caff, it has nothing to do with financial security
[23:25] Wooof-Garrr: I am called a baby gorilla at work
[23:25] Caffeine: She hasn't learned to support herself yet, lunacy.
[23:25] Wooof-Garrr: things are good and for you chris?
[23:25] Kayla: Wooof-Garrr, i will make you a special monkey painting
[23:25] Caffeine: I know you need to stick up for her, you are childhood buddies.
[23:25] Kayla: i really will
[23:25] lucy: she is suporting herself
[23:26] lucy: she's also trying to support herself doing what she wants to do
[23:26] Wooof-Garrr: thanx Kayla
[23:26] PMG: hm, oh where am I... OH I'm in my one bedroom apartment that I have been living in alone for 10 months
[23:26] lucy: that's different
[23:26] Kayla: i live with my dad
[23:26] Caffeine: How many posts did you whore yourself out in on the asylum, trying to sell your goods?
[23:26] Kayla: my dad is cool
[23:26] PMG: Being an artist is a whore
[23:26] Kayla: PMG wanna come live w me and my dad?
[23:26] PMG: that's the way of things
[23:26] SP: I need to whore myself out
[23:26] PMG: I'm gonna whore myself out again soon :j
[23:27] Kayla: fine dont come live with me and my dad. we've got enough worthless shit lying around the house anyway
[23:27] SP: NO!!!
[23:27] TheWraith: woot
[23:27] SP: Sara and I need to hook up in CO
[23:27] * TheWraith high fives Kayla.
[23:27] PMG: because if I don't get all flashy, nobody will see my stuff, and then I wont make livin'
[23:27] lucy: regardless of what you think of her ways of selling her paintings, that has nothign to do with maturity
[23:27] PMG: not that kinda whore sp
[23:27] Kayla: =-o i got a high 5
[23:27] Kayla: from TheWraith!
[23:27] Caffeine: hahahaha
[23:27] Kayla: whatta day!
[23:27] * Kayla relishes the moment
[23:27] Caffeine: Wraith, shoot her that thumbs up.
[23:28] TheWraith: Can't - blankie is in the other room.
[23:28] PMG: Kayla, I don't think you live in an area I wanna move to
[23:28] Caffeine:
[23:28] Kayla: how would you know?
[23:28] Caffeine: New Jersey.
[23:28] Kayla: i happen to live in quite a nice area
[23:28] Kayla: suburbia r0x0rs you
[23:28] PMG: I wanna go west. not east
So, my question is this:
What is maturity?
Can someone lie and lie and lie and still be mature?
What if that stuff is trivial, that stuff being what the lies are about?
What makes one immature?
Serious questions, serious responses.
Oh yes.
Well?
Okay.
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