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CAL
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Thumbs down Sarah Brady may have violated gun laws

Here are some views on this gleened off another site I frequent:

1) "You mean to tell me that gun laws have gotten so onerous and arcane that law-abiding citizens can become criminals without knowing it?"

2) "I hate to say it, but it seems so often that this sort of attitude is prevalent among the "crusader without a clue" types."

3) " I have been on their "Do not sell to list" every time I try to purchase a gun. Imagine how I feel when the salesman comes out and says "Sorry your purchase has been delayed by the FBI". It sucks!!! I don't have a criminal record of any kind, still I can't buy a firearm when I want one."

My thoughts:

If they do not go after her (and her son), this will once again be the elite protecting eachother. There is a strong chance she broke the law. These are the same laws that she has been pushing for since James was shot. If this can happen to a person who is very knowledgeable about current gun laws, imagine what can happen to the regular folks who go out, buy a gun and get snagged in the web of irresponsible, difficult to understand, gun laws that have been passed by our "leaders".

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From: HERE

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Gun control advocate may have violated gun laws

By TIMOTHY J. BURGER
New York Daily News

WASHINGTON - Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements, the New York Daily News has learned.

Brady reveals in a new memoir that she bought James Brady Jr. a Remington .30-06, complete with scope and safety lock, at a Lewes, Del., gun shop.

"I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle, loaded it into my little car and drove home," she writes. "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."

Brady became a household name as a crusader for stricter gun-control laws after her husband, James, then the White House press secretary, was seriously wounded in a 1981 assassination attempt on then-President Ronald Reagan.

Brady writes in "A Good Fight" that the unnamed gun shop ran federal Brady Law and Delaware state background checks with great fanfare.

The book suggests that she did not have her son checked, as required by Delaware state law.

"(W)hen the owner called in the checks, it seemed to me he spoke unnecessarily loudly, repeating and spelling my name over and over on the phone," Brady writes.

Amy Stillwell, a spokeswoman for The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the federal Brady Law does not require background checks for intrafamily gun gifts.

Stillwell said she did not know whether her son was checked under the state law. The Delaware Department of Justice says the state does not have an exemption for family gifts.

"Scott is not a convicted felon, and he is not prohibited from owning a gun," Stillwell said. "Scott Brady could walk into a store and buy a - he is not a prohibited purchaser."

Delaware Justice Department spokeswoman Lori Sitler said the purchase could be illegal under state law if Brady did not also say who she was buying the gun for and submit his "name, rank and serial number" for a full check.

"You can't purchase a gun for someone else," Sitler said yesterday. "That would be a 'straw purchase.' You've got a problem right there."

Anti-gun control advocates were surprised to hear of Brady's foray into their world.

"We hope that it's innocuous and there's been no laws violated," said James Jay Baker, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. "It's obviously interesting that Sarah would be purchasing firearms of any kind for anybody, given her championing of restrictive guns laws for everyone."

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Most gun laws suck.

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I'm not so sure that, in a country where background checks are required to buy a firearm, that a saying "oh yeah, and if we do a background check and clear you and you buy a firearm, you can't just give it to somebody that hasn't been checked."

I agree with the sentiment, however.

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i was sure this was gonna be something about the brady bunch. damn.

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She did buy it for her son during Christmas, so you can say it was a "Very Brady Christmas".

My bet is this dies without anyone from the BATF checking on this purchase...

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all this federal law/state law is just confusing. you have to make things so bloody complicated for yourselves don't you

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quote:
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all this federal law/state law is just confusing. you have to make things so bloody complicated for yourselves don't you


Yeah, while we're at it, lets simplify things even more and do away with this whole Congress thing... hell, lets just have a dictatorship. Very simple.

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quote:
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Yeah, while we're at it, lets simplify things even more and do away with this whole Congress thing... hell, lets just have a dictatorship. Very simple.


did the wall hurt when you got out of bed?

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Yeah, while we're at it, lets simplify things even more and do away with this whole Congress thing... hell, lets just have a dictatorship. Very simple.



Already headed that way. Shadow gov't was created sans Congress.

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did the wall hurt when you got out of bed?


Just trying to illustrate that simpler is not necessarily better. The state governments prevent the federal government from having too much power. Checks and balances, baybee.

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Just trying to illustrate that simpler is not necessarily better. The state governments prevent the federal government from having too much power. Checks and balances, baybee.


and I was just being a sarky limey

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The Federal "Yellow Sheet" that must be filled out for gun purchases in every state asks "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm" In other words , Are you buying this firearm for yourself?
To complete the purchase you must answer Yes to that question. Perjury on that document is a federal offence.
BTW that question has been on that form since well before the Brady Bill.

She obviously feels she is exempt from the rules.

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Be proud...
Be American....
Buy a gun with your tax refund.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dog Breath
"Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm"



how does above = below?

quote:

Are you buying this firearm for yourself?



i would interpret this as "are you the one buying the firearm?"
maybe i'm just retarded...but when someone asks me if i'm the purchaser of something, i see that as them asking if i'm the one doing the buying...

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Originally posted by Musashi


how does above = below?



i would interpret this as "are you the one buying the firearm?"
maybe i'm just retarded...but when someone asks me if i'm the purchaser of something, i see that as them asking if i'm the one doing the buying...



The intent of the question is to eliminate "Straw Purchases" which are illegal.
What is meant by the question "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm" is , Are you buying this firearm for yourself since buying a firearm FOR someone else is strictly illegal.
She COULD have bought the firearm for herself and transferred it to her son legally as long as he is old enough and a qualified individual to buy firearms.
In this case the rifle was bought in her name as a gift for someone else, that is a Federal crime.

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