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philjit
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USA versus Holland

Who's gonna win then? (yes its about football) pre-World Cup friendly.

Holland obviously are gonna win I think, but then again its a funny old game.

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US are down two players to injury I think after the Uraguay game.

I'd say Holland, but then I would have put good money on Uraguay too.

I hope at the very least the US put up a decent fight and maybe provoke some interest in the World Cup over here.

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I hope at the very least the US put up a decent fight and maybe provoke some interest in the World Cup over here.

something that has alwasy fascinated me about the US's attitude towards football (the men's game anyway) has been that the nation is the biggest capitalist state in the world, the largest economy in the world, and yet her we have a sport that can make shitloads of money (more than gridiron arguably) and they have no interest in it. Wassup wit dat?

Who's injured? I bet its Joe Max Moore. Hey there is an Everton player going to the World Cup after all!

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Incidently, I don't think that the USA will come last like they did last time in France. Yes that's right to the uniterested yankees, you came last in the last World Cup!! LAST!

Still you have done good in the last year and risen 11 places in the World rankings to one under England.

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Football is growing in popularity over here with the 'Soccer Mum' phenomina.

Mothers would much rather see there kids play 'soccer' than American Football as it is less of a contact sport (and their widdle babies won't get hurt).

The US sports scholership system will put the US in the Top 5 National teams in the world in the next 30 years I reckon. Playing semi-pro for 3 years with the best training money can buy?

US team is one to watch out for.

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philjit
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Mothers would much rather see there kids play 'soccer' than American Football as it is less of a contact sport (and their widdle babies won't get hurt)

American Football is a ghey game, all that padding!

Rugby League all the way!

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US team is one to watch out for.

I agree.

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philjit
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USA 0 Holland 1 (half time)

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quote:
Originally posted by Phil

something that has alwasy fascinated me about the US's attitude towards football (the men's game anyway) has been that the nation is the biggest capitalist state in the world, the largest economy in the world, and yet her we have a sport that can make shitloads of money (more than gridiron arguably) and they have no interest in it. Wassup wit dat?

It's a cultural thing. We are Orgasm Nation. We prize instant gratification; hence our love of basketball, where we get it in the neighborhood of 80 times a game. A game like soccer, which is largely about flow, buildup, and creativity, with gratification coming maybe thrice every ninety minutes, hits a brick wall with us.

Not all of us--our first division is already top ten in the world in attendence--but the mass medium, certainly.

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Who's injured? I bet its Joe Max Moore. Hey there is an Everton player going to the World Cup after all!

Chris Armas, our defensive midfielder and chief ball-winner. It's an ugly loss for us.

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I presume you are watching the game atm?

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quote:
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I presume you are watching the game atm?

Yes.

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There's some rastifarian guy wearing sunglasses running around on the pitch.

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rudd gullit is back ???

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philjit
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lost 2 -0 I see

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Hey Chips I was just reading the US Squad and about Bruce Arena. Intersting that there are only 7 players from European leagues in it. I read that Arena decided that playing in Europe no longer guaranteed you a place in the squad. But where is Alexi Lalas?? I know hes thirty now but man, he is a class player and he defintely Captain material. The squad seems to me to be quite sparse on the experience front. (Casey Keller excluded in that point)

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There's some rastifarian guy wearing sunglasses running around on the pitch.

that would be Edgar Davids, midfielder for italian league winners Juventus. great player, although a little hot headed.

one of my favourite players though.

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Hey Chips I was just reading the US Squad and about Bruce Arena. Intersting that there are only 7 players from European leagues in it. I read that Arena decided that playing in Europe no longer guaranteed you a place in the squad.

The truth of the matter is that simply being a European player isn't necessarily enough anymore to make you one of America's best 20. The best Europe based players (Keller, Friedel, Reyna, Stewart of NAC Breda, O'Brien of Ajax) are still in the squad; people like Frankie Hejduk of Leverkeusen would have been in the squad four years ago, but the talent level in MLS is now high enought that their involvement is no longer a given. Moore, for example, was definitely on the bubble, and I don't know that he'll see much time in Korea.

Nor is it necessary anymore for us to field a team entirely composed of the grand-nephews of US servicemen based in Germany. Several of the players on the team even speak English.

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But where is Alexi Lalas?? I know hes thirty now but man, he is a class player and he defintely Captain material.

I'm flattered to hear you say this. Nonetheless, your opinion is not widely shared in the states. Lalas played decently in '94, in his early prime, when he was very good on aerial balls but his footspeed was loosely comparable to that of a diseased elephant, as was subsequently exposed in Serie A. By '98 he had reached three-toed sloth level and was unthinkable as an international player. As of 2000, Lalas had not been seen to move perceptibly for six months, and in 2001, when he retired briefly from MLS play, an electron microscopy indicated that all motion in his body had ceased down to the submolecular level.
Mr. Lalas is now on display as a piece of ornamental statuary in Los Angeles.

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The squad seems to me to be quite sparse on the experience front. (Casey Keller excluded in that point)

Well...young, yes, and promisingly so, but not totally inexperienced. Stewart, Jones, and all three goaltenders have over 80 caps each dating back to 1992; Regis and Moore were starters in European first divisions in the early 1990s, and Pope and Reyna started for us in France.

This is, beyond any doubt, the best team the US has fielded, particularly on the offensive end. If we can avoid the occasional jaw-dropping mistakes by our backs that have cropped up this year, wins over South Korea and Poland are possible.

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philjit
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goaltender????? why do you yanks have to change the names of everything?

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Hey Chips, did you know that Casey Keller holds a record in England? He's the only goalkeeper that has ever let in over 100 Premiership goals in a season (whilst playing for Swindon)

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hes playing quite well at the moment. hes keeping sullvian out of the spurs team.

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Hey Chips, did you know that Casey Keller holds a record in England? He's the only goalkeeper that has ever let in over 100 Premiership goals in a season (whilst playing for Swindon)

Bad week for me knowledge-wise. Not only was I unaware that Keller had ever played for Swindon (I knew about Millwall, Leicester, Rayo, and the current club), I also seem to think that Hejduk was left off the Cup roster, when in fact he only should have been.

His first name is spelled (spelt) with a K, btw. Show some respect to the greatest player America has ever produced.

And restrain yourself where that last sentence is concerned. :/

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philjit
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heheh

Swindon went down btw

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if that was the usa game i watched was holland in orange jerseys?

if so i was sorta upset bout that game, i would go as far as saying holland won 98% of every 50/50 ball

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if that was the usa game i watched was holland in orange jerseys?

Is orange their national color? When I went to the Olympics, every single Dutchman, including all the fans, were dressed in screaming fucking orange (quite a few had foam wooden shoe hats on as well). You could pick out the Netherlands contingent from across whatever stadium you were in.

Is there some story behind that?

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Is orange their national color? When I went to the Olympics, every single Dutchman, including all the fans, were dressed in screaming fucking orange (quite a few had foam wooden shoe hats on as well). You could pick out the Netherlands contingent from across whatever stadium you were in.

Is there some story behind that?

Yes, there is.

Orange is the Dutch national color. The Dutch Royal Family�s surname is Orange. The Dutch soccer team dresses in orange.

In 1810 the Kingdom of Holland became part of the French Empire ruled by Napoleon Bonaparte. In 1813 William VI of the House of Orange is named as the last Dutch leader under the old Stadholder system. When Napoleon was ultimately defeated in the Battle of Waterloo in 1815, the resulting mess was sorted out by the Congress of Vienna.

This Congress renamed William VI of Orange to William I, Prince of Orange, King of the Netherlands, and Grand Duke of Luxembourg. At this time the Netherlands was expanded to include Belgium, making William I ruler in all of modern-day Benelux (BElgium, NEtherlands, LUxembourg.) The ties to the House of Orange continue today, with orange as the national color and Queens Wilhemina, Juliana, and today's Beatrix as daughters of the House of Orange.

So what do expect them to wear, purple?

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