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Honesty

is the best policy. Right?
One of my good friends has been lying to her boyfriend for almost a year now about varoius things ranging from super important, to inconsequential. Sonia (the friend) is moving to portugal in a little over a month and her boyfriend was planning on moving with her. (stupid move for 17 year olds to make if you ask me). Until he found out about some of the things shes been lying about. He confronted her about a great deal of these lies, and she denied each and every one.
Their relationship is pretty rocky at the moment, needless to say.

Although her relationship in particular isn't what this thread is about. My question to you, is, is it ever ok to lie to a partner? And if so, what is it ok to lie about? If you lie about one thing, what is to stop you from having that lie compound on you?

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Only if you're sure you can get away with it.

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A relationship built on lies will go nowhere and is doomed to fail.

So, for me, there is no line.

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woman: "do these pants make my ass look fat?"

man: thinks to self, "i wanna get some tonight, better lie" says: "no honey, you look beautiful as ever."

conclusion? shit yeah, you better lie if you're gonna keep getting any tail!

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Thats just what i mean flocat. If you are in a relationship with a woman who is going to be pissed off with you because you are honest, maybe you shouldn't be in a relationship with her? If i asked my SO if i looked fat in something, sure, if he said "hell yeah you look fat." I would be offended.
There are ways of being honest without being nasty/brutal. If i got the response, "I don't really like those pants on you, what about those other ones etc." I wouldn't be pissed in the slightest. Although few guys take the time to give a shit.

If indeed you are just in it for ass, then lie away.

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quote:
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If i asked my SO if i looked fat in something, sure, if he said "hell yeah you look fat." I would be offended.
There are ways of being honest without being nasty/brutal.


Don't ask the question if you can't deal with the response. You expect someone else to lie, to compromise their values, because you're fishing for compliments.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kayla
*snip*There are ways of being honest without being nasty/brutal. *snip*



There are? Shit, that explains a lot.

But really.....
You're lying. Lying liar, you.



See, misdirection isn't telling the truth, it's...misdirection. Saying, "I don't like those pants on you" is not answering the question, "Does this make me look fat?" It's saying, "Hey! Look over there!" So, it's not being honest.

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Smile

No its not ok to lie, but we do and we will....cause people suck.

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If I looked like shit, he'd tell me. Instead of getting offended I would do something about it (kick his ass.)

I can't think of any instances in which we have ever lied to each other. We're really truthful with each other, about (almost) everything. At times I may get upset about something and when asked if I'm OK, I'd bullshit and say, "yes," just to get away from talking about it.

But like Kayla said, "if you're in it for the ass, then lie away."

My relationship would probably crumble and never pick up if I were to lose my trust with that person.

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Well i wouldn't ask the question in the first place. at least not that one. heh. I know when i look fat in something and i dont need to ask my SO and put them in an awkward double edge sword situation.

Good point flo. well taken. i think about that one now.

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I don't lie.
Getting caught is way worse than being rude.

My wife just stopped asking if something made her look bad unless she really wants help picking out something to wear.

If you tell the truth all the time, people get used to it. The same goes for peope whom do.

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well put mr. dog.

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quote:
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I don't lie.
Getting caught is way worse than being rude.

My wife just stopped asking if something made her look bad unless she really wants help picking out something to wear.

If you tell the truth all the time, people get used to it. The same goes for peope whom do.



I avoid telling splat about my crazy pming frenzy at stile's in search for midgets that want to have hot butt sex. A woman has to have her secrets.

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quote:
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I avoid telling splat about my crazy pming frenzy at stile's in search for midgets that want to have hot butt sex. A woman has to have her secrets.


Do you stick the whole midget up there?

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Do you stick the whole midget up there?




I havent tried that yet....what are you doing thurs around 3:00?

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I havent tried that yet....what are you doing thurs around 3:00?


I shall be removing a midget from my ass.

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A little known fact:

Midgets have a spiny dorsal fin that makes then quite difficult to remove from your ass.

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I shall be removing a midget from my ass.



Ill bring the camera and crisco.

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Ill bring the camera and crisco.



I don't want your camera up my ass!

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quote:
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A little known fact:

Midgets have a spiny dorsal fin that makes then quite difficult to remove from your ass.


This has been one of my complaints all along!

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I would say that if you lie (or omit truthes) about who you are, what you like, and what you do, the relationship is truly doomed to fail. If he finds out about the shit you lie about, he will have problems trusting you, and rightly so!

It kills me when I see that shit happen, chick lies to dude about.. oh let's say her past. & then he finds out the truth, or part of the truth and know she's lying... and then she's all suprised that he doesn't trust her! FUCKING DUH!!!

I have always been an advocate for blunt honesty about who I am or how I feel. If I wanna know something, I'll fucking ask in a very direct maner. & I expect people to be honest in their reply too. There is no right or wrong answer, unless the fucker lies then I'LL STAB THEM IN THE EYE!.

heh ok. :spin:

seriously though, if you are both bluntly honest, then there's no need to hide the truth. After all, why would you wanna hide yourself from the person you are supposed to care about the most?

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I've yet to meet a woman capable of the truth.

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good stuff PMG.

i've never lied to Caff, i don't feel that i need to. I don't know why i used to feel like i did (with ex's).
I guess i wanted them to think i was this, or i was that.
now i'm pretty much, "this is me, im not perfect, never will be, love me anyway."
tada.
thats all folks

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quote:
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I've yet to meet a woman capable of the truth.


replace woman with human and Ill agree.

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