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Sat May 25,12:39 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) - The FBI (news - web sites) has contacted at least two Internet Web sites and asked them to stop displaying video footage of the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, the agency said Saturday.


Special agent Sandra Carroll of the FBI's field office in Newark, N.J., said the sites had been asked to voluntarily remove the video "out of consideration for the family" of Pearl. "To my knowledge, most have voluntarily done that," she added.

She declined to identify all the sites contacted but said there had been only a couple. The only one she mentioned by name was ogrish.com, which shows a variety of macabre images.

The ogrish Web site states that the FBI "contacted our host Prohosters to inform them that they were going to sue us for putting on the Pearl video on 5-18-2002. We had no other choice than deleting the video. ... We live in a censored world."

Carroll said an FBI agent may have passed along information that the Pearl family was "looking at what legal remedies that they may have," including obscenity laws. But she said there is no legal prohibition against showing the video.

Pearl disappeared Jan. 23 from outside a restaurant in Karachi, Pakistan, while researching possible links between Pakistani extremists and Richard C. Reid, who was arrested in December on a flight from Paris to Miami with explosives in his shoes. A gruesome three-minute video was delivered to U.S. officials in Karachi on Feb. 21 showing Pearl's death.

Steve Goldstein, a spokesman for Dow Jones & Co., the owner of The Wall Street Journal, said that "when the family notifies us that they have seen a video on one of the sites, we pass the information on to appropriate law enforcement officials."

"We share the family's view that there is no good reason for anyone to ever see this video," said Goldstein.

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Alas, freedom of speech doesn't mean that we all have to have the same taste in what is decent and what isn't.

The pictures at rotten.com, like the motorcyclist with his brain all over the street, probably don't make that guy's family very happy either.

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I wonder what will happen if it ends up on a website hosted in Iraq or Iran.

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Even hosted in America, it should stay.

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No real movement to stop replays of the planes hitting the towers, that I know of.

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No real movement to stop replays of the planes hitting the towers, that I know of.

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I personally feel that websites are almost celebrating in the deaths and misfortune of those people whom have died in those pictures and movies they post. But, i suppose they should be allowed to, it's all for traffic anyway.

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I sure hope the ACLU is warming up. This video is not patently offensive, it is not obscene, and it's not copyrighted. The FBI has no reason to get involved. I don't care how much the public agrees, it's not right for the police to go knocking on people's door at night rattling their batons, trying to influence the legal conduct of individuals. If the Pearl family has issues, they can sue, and lose.

What it comes down to is that John Ashcroft is a dickhead.

Leakynips.

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..This video is not patently offensive, it is not obscene...

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By the way, Columbine killer death photos available now: http://www.ogrish.com/

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By the way, Columbine killer death photos available now: http://www.ogrish.com/

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hahahahahahahaha humour point for you DMoon.

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I don't know what I think of the censorship issue, I think it'll get out eventually anyway, but if a video of a man's throat being cut and his head being displayed is neither of those things then I would wonder what you could classify as offensive or obscene.

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For something to be "obscene" it must be shown that the average person, applying contemporary community standards and viewing the material as a whole, would find (1) that the work appeals predominantly to "prurient" interest; (2) that it depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and (3) that it lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

To be patently offensive means something has no value other than being offensive.

The Pearl video certainly has political value, thus is protected speech. Offensive? Certainly. Obscene? Not close.

Leakynips.


Oh, and the Pearl video is at Rotten.com

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Oh, and the Pearl video is at Rotten.com

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It was in their "Daily Rotten" section. Apparently it's cycled off the main page, but hasn't been archived yet. I didn't get to watch it (dial up was too slow) but it seems that their version was editted to hide the really gruesome parts. A bit uncharacteristic, it seems. Anyway, as soon as I get my comp in, I'll post it on my site for download...

Leakynips

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Ugh. Wish I hadn't watched that.

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I believe in free speech, but this ain't free speech--it's far from it.

I also think a new law should be passed that would make it possible for the FBI to do whatever it could to remove from the internet (or any other medium, including its being sold person-to-person) any video of a human being's murder.

If this makes me a fascist, then so be it.

Discuss!

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I also think a new law should be passed that would make it possible for the FBI to do whatever it could to remove from the internet (or any other medium, including its being sold person-to-person) any video of a human being's murder.

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Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!
I believe in free speech, but this ain't free speech--it's far from it.

I also think a new law should be passed that would make it possible for the FBI to do whatever it could to remove from the internet (or any other medium, including its being sold person-to-person) any video of a human being's murder.

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Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!
I believe in free speech, but this ain't free speech--it's far from it.

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Laws and individual cases.

Can one law really cover every scenario?

I'm putting myself in the place of Daniel Pearl. Isn't it bad enough that I be tortured like that without compounding my misery by allowing the world to see it?

HAVE WE SUNK THAT FUCKING LOW??????????????????????????????

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Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!
I'm putting myself in the place of Daniel Pearl.

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. . . Well nothing with the exception of bombing it out of existance but who would do a thing like that?

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I didn't say a word.

Amen.

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