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"duuuuuuuuude, you wrecked my party"


The mother of a grad who had vowed to go ahead with an all-you-can-drink grad at her rural home has bowed to police pressure and called it off.

Jacque Fleenor said Chilliwack RCMP told her the party would violate certain bylaws, such as one governing noise, and intimated they wouldn't respond to emergencies.

"They told me if something went wrong, in so many words, they wouldn't be there right away," said Fleenor, who lives on 10 hectares in the Columbia Valley near Cultus Lake.

Her son, Toby, 17, who had sold about 50 or 60 $35 tickets to the June 29 party, is returning the money, she said.

"We had asked her to cancel because they were advertising an event as an all-you-can-eat and all-you-can drink party with fight pits, mud pits and wet t-shirt contests, and there's a huge liability for that," said Staff-Sgt. Stu Fetterly.

"They're just flouting the law by advertising an unlawful event and, when we're privy to it, we're duty-bound to do something about it.

"We heard they had already ordered the alcohol and the quantities scared us."

Serving liquor to minors is against the law.

Fleenor, a substance-abuse counsellor, said one of the reasons for agreeing to her son's party was to keep grads from drinking and driving. Vans had been organized to transport the kids.

She worries grads will end up partying anyway, but in some undisclosed area even farther away from police or ambulance, "where they'll drink until they fall down or they fall into the lake and that really, really worries me."

"I don't like alcohol and I don't like what it does to people, but I'm being realistic. I would prefer that kids didn't drink and didn't speed, but kids are going to drink at grad. It's just one of those traditions."


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what do you think about this, especially given the fact that the mom is a substance abuse counselor? on one hand i think the kids are going to do it anyhow, and you might as well make it safe for them, but to me it sounds like she and her son were trying to make a quick buck.

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but how many other adults were gonna be there?

if you have 50 + drunk 16, 17, & 18 yr old kids... how are you gonna control them if a fight breaks out, or if they decide to do something stupid, or whatever.

A substance-abuse counsellor is not the same as a bouncer, and even if she had a couple of other parents there... would that be enough to control the crowd?

I doubt it.

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Ban them all.

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I don't understand the paranoia about alcohol consumption by under 18s, let alone under 21s (and I'm a teacher and have seen an enormous amount of it from kids that I taught) but I can see that the police have to get involved if an illegal event is reported to them, and they have the time to deal with it.

Not the crime of the century though.

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Sounds like it would have been a fun party.. too bad..

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A substance-abuse counsellor is not the same as a bouncer,

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CHILLIWACK!
i don't see a problem with the basic idea, it's better than being completely unsupervised, but the "fight pits, mud pits and wet t-shirt contests" are bound to bring problems, from both the kids and the cops. obviously. but i doubt it was really being "advertised" as having "fight pits and wet t-shirt contests", unless the mother is some kind of idiot. word of mouth, maybe. rumours and whatnot. or the kid is the idiot.
so yeah. my point is, having a presumably sober adult around is never a bad thing. plus, "dry grad" parties suck.

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Ink, if it was going to be around 10 kids, I'd understand your point...

but 50+ drunk people (esp drunk people who are celebratin and horsing around) can not be controled by one person, or even a hand full of people... not unless they have the proper training.

It's not so much to me a matter of how old they are, but how many there are.

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lower the legal drinking age to 16
up the legal age for driving to 18 or 19

I have seen too many 21 year olds run amok because they had no familiarity with the effects of alcohol, much less their own tolerance levels.

And get the kiddies off the streets... "you cant vote, but here are the car-keys... go run someone over".

disclaimer: cultural bias involved

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We had this stupid parent organized event called "Senior Party". They bussed us to a video arcade for the night and locked us in. No drugs, no drinks, no sex, no cigarettes, 5:1 chaperone to student ratio. It was teh suck.

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As a teacher, I have often gone for drinks with my 18 year old former students after their A levels; never saw any problems at all (obviously, it is legal in this country) (as a rule, there would be similar numbers there to those in this story).

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but 50+ drunk people (esp drunk people who are celebratin and horsing around) can not be controled by one person, or even a hand full of people... not unless they have the proper training.

It's not so much to me a matter of how old they are, but how many there are.

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If the mother was smart, she would have hired security. They've started doing that for all the frat parties now.

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Two things:

1) Ya don't widely advertise a "walk in, crawl out" party unless you wanna draw attention to yerself; and

2) Shoulda been advertised as a "George Dickel Sampler Society Soiree", instead.

Amen.

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lower the legal drinking age to 16
up the legal age for driving to 18 or 19

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I would suggest that attractive young ladies should, when incredibly drunk, hitch a lift with any truck drivers who might be passing by.

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We usually designate a driver for the evening, or persuade a someones partner who is staying home anyway to come pick us up when we call him/her.

Drinking and driving is a recipe for disaster. Fines are not enough. Here we use a 3-strikes-and-you-are-out system

1st time you get caught: huge fine and 1 knotch in your card.
2nd time: Card is confiscated for a limited period of time (usually 6 months) before you can get it back you have to pass a theoretical test.
3rd time: your life in the drivers seat has ended. Go sell your car.

A drunk in the drivers seat is "armed" and dangerous. He should be treated as such.

Alcohol is not the enemy. People that cant seem control the when/where/quantity are the assholes that are giving alcohol a bad name.

Start early, with moderation and under supervision, and step it up gradually. And If you do it right you´ll...
hell you will end up a pro like JEB

I had my first (if somewhat mild) intoxication at 14. At a family reunion, and with my parents blessing.

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my bro went to a AA class for his 2nd dui in 5 years or so..there were people there with upwards of 10 dui's over their life..yah they werein their 40\50's..but still....i think the record there was 14 for one guy...

unbelievable

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They can't sell tickets to an event like that without a permit. We had a similar problem with Keg Parties in Co-Op houses a couple of years back. They were selling tickets for the kegger, which is (apparently) illegal. Now you pay your ten bucks (pretty much "under the table") and get added to a guest list, which is apparently an acceptable solution.

Some psychologist the mother is... what with mud pits and wet tee contests. My cousin has a friend who has two child-psychologist parents. She has more freedom with drinking, etc. than what I would consider healthy, but according to them, it's "right".

I had a friend in H.S. who's mother let him smoke pot at home all of the time. He ended up dealing eventually. It wasn't a pretty sight.

I think I would excuse my kid on occasion for showing up drunk, but I really doubt I'd let them do it frequently, and I would want to pick them up if I knew something like that was going on.

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Record in new mexico is 32 DUIs.. it's a fucking joke

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. . . Start early, with moderation and under supervision, and step it up gradually. And If you do it right you´ll...
hell you will end up a pro like JEB. . . .

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