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euphorbia
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So, I�m making a resource booklet for a group that tries to get homeless or at risk or abused kids in a better situation and I am calling around to some places and asking for a quick run down of the services they offer the community so I can put a summery next to their name and number - well a few so far have informed me only offer serves to a certain race or a certain religious group. What is your opinion on that?

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I think its fine, except for the fact that a lot of these exclusive charities get government funding.

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I think its fine, except for the fact that a lot of these exclusive charities get government funding.

I agree - privately funded charities have the right to dictate to whom their funding will go. Publicly funded charities should not be as limited.

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Personally, I think it is elitist crap and organizations that only help a certain group of people take the "community" out of community service.

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Personally, I think it is elitist crap and organizations that only help a certain group of people take the "community" out of community service.

Personally, if I want to donate my money to a certain cause, I'd like the money to be used for that cause. Hence the difference between a privately funded organization and a publicly funded one. If I donate $100 intending that money to assist women with ovarian cancer in meeting their expenses, I don't want the money to go to someone who has lung cancer after 30 years of smoking.

(This may seem insensitive, but I don't give a shit. In the past two years, I have lost both of my grandfathers and three friends to cancer. My grandfathers: one to lung cancer (he had been smoking for 70 years) and the other to leukemia - one of them had every reason to expect to die of cancer, the other had no idea until a few months ago when he became extremely ill (he passed away one month ago yesterday). The friends: one of them died before he turned 18 (brain tumor), another shortly after her 21st birthday (leukemia), and a third to ovarian cancer due partly to complications from PCOS.)

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I can see that, however, the original post mentioned only servicing certain religious and/or ethnic groups. That is what I have a problem with.

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(This may seem insensitive, but I don't give a shit. In the past two years, I have lost both of my grandfathers and three friends to cancer. My grandfathers: one to lung cancer (he had been smoking for 70 years) and the other to leukemia - one of them had every reason to expect to die of cancer, the other had no idea until a few months ago when he became extremely ill (he passed away one month ago yesterday). The friends: one of them died before he turned 18 (brain tumor), another shortly after her 21st birthday (leukemia), and a third to ovarian cancer due partly to complications from PCOS.)

What if they went somewhere for help and were denied because they werent black or Muslim or Jewish?

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What if they went somewhere for help and were denied because they werent black or Muslim or Jewish?

My smartass answer: they were all white Catholics.

My serious answer: they should look into publicly funded sources. There are plenty of resources out there and I wouldn't expect that every charity would cater to every single person.

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Catholics.
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The groups Ive called ran by those had no problem offering services to any one regardless of race or religion...funny that.

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(Catholics.)

The groups Ive called ran by those had no problem offering services to any one regardless of race or religion...funny that.

We are charitable folk.

My friends and I used to spend a week each summer building for Habitat for Humanity - working with all types of people.

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There are catholic charities that deal with catholic stuff, but the homelessness/starvation type ones don't, as far as I am aware. Although they might make people pray with them and so on.

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There are catholic charities that deal with catholic stuff, but the homelessness/starvation type ones don't, as far as I am aware. Although they might make people pray with them and so on.

I think that a lot of this depends on where you are, as well. Here in the Boston Archdiocese, we have a huge youth/high school population and thus a large pool of volunteers for charities. Not to mention that within the city of Boston there are scads of charity fundraisers - "walk-for" events, etc.

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Jewish charities irk me though.

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i think it's kind of sick, really. i understand the desire to help whichever group you are personally sympathetic towards, but when someone denies aid directly based on religious/racial differences it highlights the absurdity of that idea, i think. thinking that such "charity" was appropriate would be a hard thing to justify.
and agree with the lack of community statement. it's counterproductive.

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i think it's kind of sick, really. i understand the desire to help whichever group you are personally sympathetic towards, but when someone denies aid directly based on religious/racial differences it highlights the absurdity of that idea, i think. thinking that such "charity" was appropriate would be a hard thing to justify.
and agree with the lack of community statement. it's counterproductive.

There's only so much money to go around, though sometimes I can see the absurdity. However, a women's charity could be accused of discriminating against men on the basis of gender if you push the envelope too far...

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Hmmm.....

The line between discrimination and selective assistance goes deeper than color.
Its about a sense of general shared beliefs and lifestyle.
I HATE going to places where every other word out of their mouth is JESUS.
But to buy an oil filter for my lawn mower on saturday I gotta go the jesus-crispy's shop.
He doesn't deny me service but he does preach.

But its a lawn mower part....

If it was medical or educational services it'd different.
Rather than going in to along tyraid about how we let the gov't get us on the tit and keep us in the system (just ask my sister who is currently learning first hand about gov't assistance)
I am gonna agree with the concept that the gov't funding of exclusive services must stop and then the "community" will be servicing itself in its best interests.
Should a community get too far away from consideration of a minority there....that is where our rights as individuals come in.

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quote:
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. However, a women's charity could be accused of discriminating against men on the basis of gender if you push the envelope too far...

Thats not pushing anything too far imo. I dont agree with that either.
If the charity is for homeless people it should be for all homeless people, if the charity is for ovarian cancer it should be for everyone with ovarian cancer, testicle cancer, all with testicle cancer those just happen to be specific to men or women, if for alcoholics, all alcoholics ect ect. I have no problem with specializing in one area, but not on race or religion or gender for that matter.

For instance, and some of you may find this part humorous but there is a midget/dwarf/little person we deal with, he is an adult but he is the life mate of a woman who is pregnant who comes in, anyway, she is abusive to him. She hits him and such, he shouldn�t be denied counseling from a battered spouse group because he is a man imo.
If they want to help battered spouses it should be all battered spouses and not just ones with vaginas. Putting more or less value on someone because of their race gender or religious beliefs is pretty shitty when you are under the guise of wanting to help people. of course they are free to do it, but my contempt is also free to give when they do.

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If you want to open a woman's refuge for battered women, you don't want to be letting men in, though.

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If you want to open a woman's refuge for battered women, you don't want to be letting men in, though.

If its a man getting his ass kicked too I dont see why not.

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If its a man getting his ass kicked too I dont see why not.

You don't want an abuser posing as a battered husband in the shelter with the battered women, thus posing a threat to them in the very environment in which they should be most safe.

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My grandfathers: one to lung cancer (he had been smoking for 70 years)

Geez, and that's a problem? Assuming he started even before he was 10, that's a long life. While lung cancer ain't pretty, what is when yer near 80?

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Geez, and that's a problem? Assuming he started even before he was 10, that's a long life. While lung cancer ain't pretty, what is when yer near 80?

Well, that's why it wasn't really a surprise - he was actually 79 and had been smoking since he was about 10 (I've also heard 12). It's amazing that it took as long as it did... he ended up dying because the tumor grew to the size of a grapefruit and stopped his heart.

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If its a man getting his ass kicked too I dont see why not.

You would have to have a seperate shelter for that; I would guess that it didn't get much legitimate use if you did have one of those though. But you would have to keep the people apart from the objects of their fear (half of the point of those places, I gather).

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