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Check this out - Censored Books

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

Can you believe all ofthe books censored and banned from public libraries and schools - as unfit to read... _ can you believe this shit???

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it's idiots like you that got them banned

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Not hardly IDIOT...

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The savage burn with censoship, IMO, is with high school textbook's pervasive use of revisionist history. Also, most of the citations on this link were due to Puritan and McCarthy influnce that I beleive has mostly come to pass. That's not to say that there are still pockets of conservative censorship among school boards. The 'Harry Potter' books, a much as I loathe them, are a good example of close minded censorship. Parents are so worried that their kids are going to turn into a bunch of satan worsishipping heathens for reading Potter that they just might dismiss their money grubbing jobs to inerfere with their kid's lives.

Maybe I interpretted the last part wrong (too much Milwaukee's Best), but I think there is a need to preserve intellectual property. Or would everyone like to edit my post so that everyone gets warm happy feelings (and a couple bucks) from my comments?

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it's idiots like you that got them banned

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Being CHRISTIAN does NOT mean I am blind ... nor do I personally want my kids to grow up blinded by the lack of information -- I believe that in order to make an informed choice about life ... people should have all the facts --- and I believe that suppression of information only leads to one sided ideals... Tradition is great for passing information - but plays hell with invention!! To be truly creative one can't be locked into one thought process - being a Christian allows me freedom of choice... FREE WILL!!! not limits on what I would choose to read... I could offer many thoughts on books that some might find questionable -- but were tought at the Christian University I attended... in fact the whole concept of teaching was looking at all sides of the story to discover basic truths about life and history and my own humanity - religon was tought from the perspective of putting Christianity on trial... then drawing my OWN conclusions --- my grades were not based on what my professor believed... I had no idea what he believed until after the class was over ... so the idea that I am or am not something based on my beliefs and values is a dead issue... I am what I am and believe what I believe because on my experances ... which may or may NOT be someone elses. By the way ... my belief system didn't come from my wife --- she just enhanced and opened my mind to NEW ideas which expanded on what was already there... she proved to me that some of what I had been tought as a kid was not quite correct in the context of what was really being said... and being a good teacher... allowed ME to make up my own mind about things... I think this is called MATURING!!!

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IBeFree...good luck trying to open closed minds.

Thanks for the link...I'll add it to the site I'm creating for my students this fall. It provides a fair and verified version of events, and I respect that.

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Being a pagan I also have free will. Might I interest you in converting to the Church of Bob?

I should point out that I wasn't intending any sort of "attack" at IBFree when I translated tack's short blurb to something more coherent. I'm just the intermediate. There are many fine open minded Christians in the world. In fact, one such individual baptised my cousin a few years back (was it really that long ago? damn).

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Well SP ... could you lay out your doctrine for this Church of Bob??? ... I'm always in the market for information on religions... if you can show me a better plan --- I could well be your next convert!!! I know for sure MY plan wasn't going anywhere.

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Bunkum ... one of the books I loved in Lit was Kate Chopin's .."The Awakening" certainly a questionable book by any standard - I loved it .. and wrote a knockout Thesis on it which won me an "A" I might add. Good luck with your class...

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Church of Bob is the ultimate religion: Imagine an all forgiving God and NO threats of Hell, other than the one you make for yourself on Earth, of course. Once you die it's figured you've suffered enough through your life on Earth and you go to paradise after you die. We worship at the International House of (Prophetic) Pancakes (the Bountiful Buffet of Blessings is ALWAYS full).

In an attempt to do away with the impersonal way most religions deal with God it was decided to change God to Bob. Our main prophet-person is Jebus (in homage to the Simpsons, really). The Church of Bob has a whatever happens attitude to life. Don't blame it on Bob because it wasn't his fault.

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm still ironing out the whole deal still (it's been in the works for several years now). I've got three co-workers that are members of the Church of Bob. There is no IHOP here, so we worship at Country Kitchen when time allows.

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Damn SP .... that sounds a lot like TRUE Christianity as I understand it ... for me for a number of years God was Gazu (a Rose by any other name is still a rose) ... I believed but was somehow hung up on the HELL thing .. that's what I had been tought my whole life --- A building with a tower and bells .. worship as "WE" teach and you too will become a God someday ... To me today... Worship is a very private thing ... I have no objection to IHOP as "when two or more are gathered..." just keep my coffee cup full and make sure we are in the smoking section... OH yeah ... back then ... I was sure God had it in for me for some reason --- so it stood to reason that EVERYTHING bad was his fault ... I had NO concept of FREE WILL ... which IF I had the freedom to choose my own path ... so did everyone else ... which really means "Shit Happens"

There is this great history book ... you can find it in any motel ... hotel in the night stand... and most GOOD book stores sell it... it might be a great place to start when you "Iron out those details."

EDIT: By the way... this book hasn't been censored in PUBLIC Libraries, YET!!!

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yes, it's a great history book, what with explaining how the earth is only like, what, 20 years old or so?

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Actually ... something like about 7,000 years old ... to the best of my knowledge....

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Somewhere, in all this, a Subgenius sues.

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IBeFree: It's 6006 years old according to James Ussher, a 17th century irish archbishop.

"Despite his success as a churchman, Ussher is perhaps most famous for having dated the start of the creation to the evening before 23rd October, 4004 B.C. Ussher calculated this timing in his Annals, a work of biblical chronology which he published in Latin in 1650"

Want to read Usshers Annals Of The World? Go here: http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/...sher/ussher.htm An interesting read I'm sure. (I haven't read it and I have no intention on doing so, I expect it to be pretty boring)

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Yep, and I swear in Smells Like Teen Spirit that he sings "dirty nylons" over and over again.

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Just because a book is old and maybe considered a 'classic' by some, doesn't mean it isn't FILTHY SMUT and shouldn't be treated as such.

Ulysses? FILTHY SMUT!!

Fanny Hill? FILTHY SMUT!

On a side note, a few years ago a school play was banned here because it was too graphicly violent for children. The play was the life story of Jesus Christ.

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Ok, ignore my earlier post in here, for some reason, the quick reply thing keeps putting my posts in the wrong thread.

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How the hell did you get an A on your thesis with all those damned ellipses? It hurts.

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How the hell did you get an A on your thesis with all those damned ellipses? It hurts.

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God.

I read IBeFree's post and I'm just slack-jawed. Not from amazement. Rather I think that reading it rendered me temporarily retarded--and I think following it up with a Jonathan Livingston Seagull quote may have given me epilepsy as well.

Drained of all will to live, I hit "submit" and make preparations for hanging myself.

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While I'm not going to really poke fundies or atheists, why is it in these conversations about how old the earth is noone mentions that Genesis might, and almost certainly is, a metaphor. An attempt to render the scientific creation of the universe into a story even the most basic man could understand. It would fit since the last book of the bible is a metaphor as well. Not all Christians are fundementalists...most I've discussed this with believe this is how it happened. God indeed had a hand in creation, but he molded it slowly over billions of years. He did say a thousand years was but a day to him. If not a thousand, why not a million? or two? or one hundred? k, thx for listening, bye now.

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