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skalie
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Having to type www........

How come when I type "arsenal.com" in the address bar of my browser I get a "The specified server cannot be found", but when I type "www.arsenal.com", I'm in ?

It is only for certain URL's, normally the "www" is automatically assumed.

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The www is never assumed. It is all in the dns records. If you have a server and you want people to be directed to it when they request www.splatkicksass.com or if they request splatkicksass.com, you set up your dns records so that either of those requests returns the same address.

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So that means that Arsenal.com is a Mickey Mouse operation that hasn't got their server configured properly?

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Or it's an operation that makes you want to waste a whole second of your life adding the "www."

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quote:
Originally posted by splAt
The www is never assumed. It is all in the dns records. If you have a server and you want people to be directed to it when they request www.splatkicksass.com or if they request splatkicksass.com


It would still work for the more likely site, splatsucksass.com (best register that asap)?

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quote:
Originally posted by SocialParasite
Or it's an operation that makes you want to waste a whole second of your life adding the "www."


No actually it's an operation that makes me type "arsenal.com", then "google.com", then "arsenal", and then wonder why the fuck I went to all that trouble to get to "www.arsenal.com".

To fix this one has to alter the dns records at the server?

I'm not asking on behalf of Arsenal btw, but for a media bunch who have the same problem, and who are probably losing hits due to people not bothering with the "www".

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fuck the red scum wankers

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fuck the red scum wankers


That was helpfull Phillip, got a chip on your shoulder or something, still rebelling against authority at your age?

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Chip on my shoulder? nah, I just hate Gooners.

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How is the server to know you don't want ftp.splatkicksass.com or europe.splatkicksass.com or sheisse.splatkicksass.com?

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That would be ftp://www.splatkicksass.com as opposed to http://www.splatkicksass.com or not?

Is it not whoever issued you your domain name being lazy? The domain name server or whatever?

I intend to get to the bottom of this.

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It is likely that whoever administers the dns set it up in accordance with what the customer requested. If there is a problem with the current configuration, it was most likely caused by the customer's lack of understanding of how dns works. It would probably take less than a minute on the phone to have the records set up so that people will reach the same server with or without www in the address.

When you look at the address bar, the http: or ftp: are specifying the protocol and are not part of the address. http://whatever.com and ftp://whatever.com would be directed to the same address. www.whatever.com and ftp.whatever.com could go to different addresses or they could go to the same address depending on how the dns is configured.

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I don't think an FTP address would have "www" in it. Then again, I don't regularly visit FTP servers, so maybe you've found some special one I haven't.

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quote:
Originally posted by SocialParasite
I don't think an FTP address would have "www" in it. Then again, I don't regularly visit FTP servers, so maybe you've found some special one I haven't.


You're right, I just checked it out.........

ftp://ftp.blabla.com is the way to go.

One day I'll figure out all this shit.


Edit: Oh yeah, thanks for your replies as well SplAt.

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if you know it has .com at the end of the URL, you can just type arsenal in the browser and the hold down the "control" key when keying "enter/return".

Is that easy enough?

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more to the point of above: for Internerd Exploder users

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Is that easy enough?


Well easy, and a good tip.

The intent of this thread was however to stop the problem occurring at all, server side.

Like SplAt said it's the DNS records, the url without the www has to be added to the CNAME list.

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as splat pointed out, there is a dns record for "www.server.com" but not for "server.com". I read an article about this once, and thought i bookmarked it, but now i cant find it. if i remember correctly, there is a reason some webmasters do not add both records. it has to do with server load and efficiency on high traffic websites or something to that effect. the general consensus, though, is you do more harm than good by not having both records, as many people will give up before trying "www.server.com".

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It's interesting that only one person in this whole thread actually seems to have a decent grasp of DNS(I'm not that person).

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...since it's such a complex concept, too. Today, DNS... Tomorrow, rocket science... Hell, it's no comparison against the ability to define the acronym of 'PERL', but it's a close second!

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