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Exploding Sodium: Don't tell Saddam

Could this be the next weapon of mass distraction? Check this website out.

http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodi...11.2/index.html

I never knew sodium could blow up like this. I guess I should have took chemistry back in school.

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My Chemistry teacher had a jar with a whole bunch of sodium cubes in it. He blew up a beaker for each class using one cube of it dropped in water. It was great.

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Dropping sodium and potassium (more reactive than sodium) into water was one of the main highlights of teaching chemistry.

You have to be reasonably careful to get the right amount and also to ensure that the bowl holding the water is of the right sort (a colleague of mine was supplied by the technician, with what, after inspection of the fragments, turned out to have been a salad bowl).

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Hehe.. I remember my chem class... They did the sodium in water bit, and they showed videos of some of the more reactive ones (Rb and Cs, I think). Now those were fun.

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yessss, cesium!

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yesssss. blowing shit up with sodium was the best part about hanging with the chem guys who had all that access...oh sweet, sweet access. oh, nearly setting the dorm on fire with the hydrogen rockets was rather choice, too. oh, and the ether fire...that was fun. man, university rocked!

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Yeah, sodium and potassium need to be kept in oil, because the both react with air, and more so violently with water..
If you put sodium in water it will react by disolving and giving off hydrogen, and make the water alkaline, potassium however will get so hot the hydrogen will ignight...

I remember when I was in school there was an accident where some potassium some how go into this girls hair, and she had a real nasty suprise when she was walking home and It started raining..

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It is a very good idea to get qualified as a chemistry teacher simply for the amusement value of blowing stuff up.

I have seen a video (maybe the one that rosh referred to) where caesium is put into water and there is an explosion, that looked pretty cool.

Interestingly, the horriblest chemical that I used was as a physics teacher rather than in teaching chemistry; bromine is nasty stuff (apparently it burns inside your skin or something nasty like that) and I try to avoid using it (not bromine water, which is often used in lieu of bromine in experiements because it is safe).

Used to do some cool demonstrations with a 50:1 mains step-up transformer; 12 000V is pretty scary stuff (not like the higher, but safe, voltages produced by a lab Van de Graaf generator, this stuff was the real deal). We used to put two long terminals coming out of the transformer, about 1/3" apart at the bottom and getting to be maybe 5" apart at the top. You get the cool rising spark effect like in the Frankenstein movies (the spark starts at the bottom where the voltage is big enough to drive a current even through the air, then it heats a surrounding channel of air to a plasma, which is a conductor (unlike air) and glows. This hot plasma rises (hot gases rise, and plasma is basically a charged gas); the spark follows the conducting channel of plasma, which keeps it heated and glowing and so it goes to the top of the terminals before the plasma drifts too far up and then cools down due to lack of continued current), but it would be dangerous to be too near (the kids were on the other side of the safety screen and at least 10 feet away from the screen, even).

We has another demonstration with a 6000V military capacitor; using that, we could use the safe eht supply ('extra high tension' - about 5000V but with a 50 Mega Ohm internal resistance, which makes it incapable of delivering a high enough current throught the terminals to be dangerous) to slowly charge it; it would be connected in parallel to a pair of large foil plates separated by plastic bags. We turn off the lights and the plates would charge from the capacitor until they blew holes through the plastic bags, which was pleasant to watch (like fireworks indoors). This was also dangerous to be near (not as bad as the other one, but dangerous enough; dead is dead). Before the military capacitor was found, they had to make a leyden jar from dustbins (also dangerous) to do the demonstration.

We used to do fun demonstration experiments every Christmas; most the kids could do themselves (like boiling water in a hand-made paper saucepan, which always amazes kids for some reason) but those ones above were by demonstration only.

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Damnit His site wont load for me.

My uncle told me how he and his friend used to make things blow up with various household concoctions which included weedkiller for some reason. Anyone heard of that?

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Damnit His site wont load for me.

My uncle told me how he and his friend used to make things blow up with various household concoctions which included weedkiller for some reason. Anyone heard of that?



Weedkiller is a nitrate I think, which makes it good for explosives. There is at least one dangerous explosive that you can make with weedkiller that I know of (dangerous more to the person making it, as it is not terribly stable).

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I'm feeling the keen need to make a detergent bomb, but will hold off until more people have gotten over 9-11 hysteria. Don't wish to cause a heart attack or something.

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Used to do some cool demonstrations with a 50:1 mains step-up transformer; 12 000V is pretty scary stuff (not like the higher, but safe, voltages produced by a lab Van de Graaf generator, this stuff was the real deal). We used to put two long terminals coming out of the transformer, about 1/3" apart at the bottom and getting to be maybe 5" apart at the top. You get the cool rising spark effect like in the Frankenstein movies (the spark starts at the bottom where the voltage is big enough to drive a current even through the air, then it heats a surrounding channel of air to a plasma, which is a conductor (unlike air) and glows. This hot plasma rises (hot gases rise, and plasma is basically a charged gas); the spark follows the conducting channel of plasma, which keeps it heated and glowing and so it goes to the top of the terminals before the plasma drifts too far up and then cools down due to lack of continued current), but it would be dangerous to be too near (the kids were on the other side of the safety screen and at least 10 feet away from the screen, even).
isn't that what they call a jacob's ladder? one of my friends made one of those when we were in high school. it was safe enough, until you touched it. then you got knocked on your ass and a nasty burn. i did it twice, the second time so he could get it on video.

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My mom is a teacher, and can order that stuff. Fuckin' terrorists, they made it so the average recreational bomb maker can't have any fun. When I was a kid, I used to make pipe bombs and throw them in Pine Creek. BOOM!. Water would blow twenty or thirty feet in the air, and when the silt drifted, I enjoyed picking shrapnel out of the blast radius.

Ahhhhh....... Them were the good ol' days.

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isn't that what they call a jacob's ladder? one of my friends made one of those when we were in high school. it was safe enough, until you touched it. then you got knocked on your ass and a nasty burn. i did it twice, the second time so he could get it on video.


Don't know what it is called, although I don't think that you could have been using the same high voltages (you probably wouldn't need to, plasma is a good conductor, so you only have to make the initial spark) because a 12000V shock is generally not good for you (death is caused by a >50milliamp current through the heart and 12000V will drive that sort of current through a person no problem).

I have no idea why we had a mains transformer that would step up that far. There isn't anything classroom-safe that you can do with it that I can think of.

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