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Army's High-Speed Laser Hits Shell

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Weapons that travel far faster than the proverbial speeding bullet are as little as five years from use in combat, say defense officials who used a laser to shoot an artillery shell out of the sky this week.

In a first-of-its-kind feat, the Army used a high-energy laser built by TRW Inc. to heat the shell, fired from a howitzer at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, and cause it to explode in flight. The test was successfully repeated a second time.

The shell, moving at about 1,000 mph, was tracked by radar and heat-sensing infrared sensors, then locked onto and zapped by the laser beam traveling at light speed.

The so-called Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser is a short-range weapon being co-developed with Israel, which wants it to destroy Katyusha rockets fired at its border villages by Hezbollah guerillas in Lebanon.

The chemically powered weapon, which looks like a searchlight, is one of a handful of laser devices the Pentagon is working on under the umbrella of missile defense.

In earlier tests, the Army used the tactical laser to shoot down 25 Katyushas, both singly and in salvos. Artillery shells, however, generate far less heat than do rockets and are more difficult to track, officials said. Also, since rockets are pressurized, they are easier to detonate than are shells.

``This was, science-wise, a significant accomplishment,'' said William Congo, a spokesman for the Army Space and Missile Defense Command.

Before, the only defense against a lobbed shell was to bulk up on armor, move out of the way or dig in, said Dan Goure, vice president of the Lexington Institute, a nonprofit think tank in Arlington, Va. The ability to intercept a shell changes that.

``Now, in theory, this kind of capability allows you to deny that kind of attack,'' Goure said.

The tactical laser could enter use in 2007. Since development began in 1996, the Army, the Israeli Ministry of Defense and TRW have spent $250 million on the project.

It is designed for use against shells, mortars, short-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and air-to-surface munitions. It could also target helicopters and small aircraft, including robotic drones.

Officials hope to shrink the weapon enough to allow it to be mounted on a truck, allowing it to be deployed where needed.

``It's movable, it's not mobile. What we are moving toward is a much smaller, mobile device,'' Congo said. An artists rendering of the actual deployed weapon shows it assembled from two tractor-trailers, the laser protruding on top.

The weapon would also have to be nimble enough to destroy multiple rounds as quickly as they are fired.

``Shooting down a single artillery shell is pretty cool, but artillery shells don't come in ones,'' said Christopher Hellman, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information in Washington.

Other related weapons the U.S. military is developing include the Airborne Laser, a $3.7 billion project to mount a laser aboard a Boeing 747. The flying laser is being built to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles shortly after launch.

A July report by the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, found the Air Force has underestimated the complexity - as well as time and cost - of developing the Airborne Laser system. Even today, it remains ``very difficult'' to calculate the project's cost and schedule, according to the report.

Also under development are space-based lasers, which would also target ballistic missiles, and ground-based systems that could take out orbiting satellites, crippling enemy communications.

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is there such thing as a slow speed lazar?

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I saw this on cnn. Very tricky system. I would imagine that they will be in limited use long before 2007 if the Israelis are involved. This would serve them well.
Their vulnerability due to the size of their country and it's location among so many hostile nations is their only problem. They already have a wicked offense and a system like that would give them the defense needed to get really arrogant like the US.
We have those big ole oceans that they don't.

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I thought lasers against manned craft were against the Geneva Convention?

Didn't this come up in the Falklands when lasers were used to blind pilots? Or was that a dream?

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We can't allow this kind of techinology to move forward. Imagine the innocent birds that will be killed.

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So they did it without a homing device finally?

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After the military uses that laser for defense purposes, they later use it to correct their vision to 20-20.

Then they use it to remove tattoos of old girlfriends' names.

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Nevermind, I have been informed the Geneva Convention banning of lasers applies only to the blinding of pilots, not their deep frying.

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you know the next step is the Mobile Covert Assasination Laser, which will make robot planes equipped with anti-tank missles obsolete, as well as the Boland Amendment.

The movie Real Genius was as prophetic as any Jules Verne shit.

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Mobile Covert Assasination Laser

When I first read this, I thought it said "Mobile court assassination laser".

That probably was the original plan until they realised that all the trailer park people would end up moving into their neighbourhoods.

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I want one installed on my ship.
I dunno how effective the system we have now is. It's basically just a high-speed machine gun slaved to a radar. Looks like a cross between R2-D2 and John Holmes, or perhaps a garbage can with an erection. I dunno if it works or not...they say it does. But a laser would be a lot cooler.

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squee, I think should try it out some time.. on yourself! *ZING*!

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Squee...you mean the Phalanx? Those things are bad ass. In theory it sounds like a great idea, has less to do with pinpoint accuracy then in blindingly fast lead output. Accuracy is something like a circle a meter in diameter, but the thought is that if you can put a bullet in every square inch of that circle, you could detonate incoming missiles.

That last wasn't for you Squee, it was for anyone who didn't know anything about the CIWS. Anyways, has it ever been used? I mean other then testing?

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Are you asking about phalanx? I was told that it was used during desert storm. Hard to think of many recent events where there was an opportunity to use them.

I've heard them spin up before. They make any impressive sound when they aren't even loaded.

From: http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib...s/wep-phal.html

Type of Fire: 3,000 rounds per minute - Later models: 4,500 rounds/min (starting 1988 production, Pneumatic Gun Drive)

Wow!

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Re: Army's High-Speed Laser Hits Shell

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It is designed for use against shells, mortars, short-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and air-to-surface munitions. It could also target helicopters and small aircraft, including robotic drones.


Also for blowing up satellites

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Well we've had a couple of ships hit by missiles...the system itself is pretty much automatic once we leave port, so I'd have to assume that it activated onboard those ships that have been hit...and also that it didn't work

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I look forward to Hezbollah attempting to glue mirrors onto their Katyusha rockets.

The guys over the road from me are working on a directed energy weapon. It basically cooks you from the inside and turns your internal organs into slush.

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I would be most interrested in finding out what impact that would have on missles on a low flight path with some Wraith wannabe wagging a high speed laser up and down between tall buildings in an attempt to gain urban-legendary status while yelling "you fucking moron" at the top of his lungs, while knowing full well that there can be only one Wraith.

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As far as nukes go and more particularly bioweapons, the detonation would have to take place near point of origin, unless you want nuclear material or biological weapons all over the place on your own side of the lines (this would be less damaging if it was nuclear material than if it was bioweapon type stuff). I don't know what the range is; the attentuation from sending a laser signal a mile horizontally is apparently comparable to that sending it vertically right up out of the atmosphere, and that ought (I would guess) to be similarly true for weapon laser systems. Knocking out satellites with a nice easy to make chemical laser is going to make television more expensive, for sure, if a few get knocked down.

As I am in the laser physics department, I ought to ask some people what the story is on this.

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