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child pornography: where to draw the line?

www.jessithekid.com

It was apparently featured on Dr. Phil, it was being discussed on several messageboards I frequent, I saw the site, and I can't remember the last time I felt so fucking repulsed. Blabber all you want... but the site is basically clothed kiddie porn. The problem with such a site is that each photo in and of itself is basically harmless, but put all those pictures into the context of being displayed in the format of a porn site with PAID membership...and well, you've got jessithekid.com.

Girl Model Sites Crossing Line?
By Julia Scheeres

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,45346,00.html

02:00 AM Jul. 23, 2001 PT

Amber seems like a typical 11-year-old girl who loves horses and hates chores. Her website shows her hugging a stuffed white rabbit and playing dress-up.

But her site also contains photographs that are only available to dues-paying members.

For $25 a month, "Lil' Amber" fans can ogle pictures of the little girl coyly hiking up her miniskirt or posing in a bikini on a faux bearskin rug. For $50, they can purchase a video of Amber "dancing and running around" in outfits that leave little to the imagination.

The money goes to her college fund, the site says.

Lil' Amber is one of several websites featuring "models" as young as 9 owned by Webe Web Corporation, an Internet hosting company in Florida. A list of the sites is available at Child Super Models.

Watchdog groups say the sites smack of pornography, but Webe Web argues that the sites constitute a perfectly legal enterprise.

"This is definitely not kiddie porn in any form," said Webe Web spokesman Evan Gordon. "None of our sites have naked children."

Gordon said that the child modeling sites were inspired by a birthday party thrown for a friend's 9-year-old daughter. Pictures of the Spice Girls-themed party were posted on the Internet, and within a week they were getting 20,000 page views a day, he said.

"We decided to see if there was a market for this and there was," Gordon said.

The company started charging access to the site, which morphed into Jessithekid.com. Members can browse photos of a little blonde girl practicing yoga in a white leotard or strutting down a homemade runway in swimsuits. The site also sells videos of a coifed Jessi engaged in childish pursuits such as baking cookies or carving a pumpkin.

It proved to be a successful business model. Soon, other parents were contacting Webe Web to enlist their daughters.

Gordon said he had no idea why someone would shell out $25 a month to browse pictures of little girls in bikinis.

"That's something you'd need to ask a psychology professor," he said.

Mitchell Earleywine, a psychology professor at the University of Southern California, responded:

"Beats the hell out of me. I'm really at a loss why anyone would pay to look at these photos."

Earleywine said that men who are attracted to children tend to exhibit poor social skills and confusion on how dating works.

"I would encourage men who are on this site to seek professional help," Earleywine said.

But there's one thing Webe Web is sure about : The girl model sites are profitable.

"Many of these girls are making more money than their parents make," Gordon said, adding that while the company has been accused of exploiting children, he has no reservations about the sites.

"If you had a cute dog that I could put up on the Web and make money off of, I'd do that too," he said.

Webe Web also runs another business: hardcore porn sites, including Home From School. (The site www.homefromschool.com was taken down soon after an interview with Webe Web.)

Gordon said he was "irked" by a question of whether the company's child-modeling sites and porn sites were related and insisted there was no crossover between the company's two lines of business.

The images on sites such as Lil' Amber fall into a murky legal area, said Parry Aftab, a lawyer and the director of Cyberangels, an Internet safety and education group.

"This is utterly and absolutely distasteful, and I think it would invoke child abuse, but it's probably not illegal," said Aftab.

While the law explicitly prohibits images of minors engaged in real or simulated sex, it also forbids depictions of children designed to elicit sexual arousal.

In a landmark 1995 case, a Pennsylvania man was sentenced to jail for possessing videotapes of young girls posing provocatively in skimpy clothing. It was the first such conviction dealing with this issue in which the genitals were not exposed.

Meanwhile, controversial photographer Jock Sturges continues to sell photographs of nude children despite an FBI raid, pickets by angry mobs and a grand jury investigation.

Sturges, reached by e-mail at a photo shoot in France, looked over the Webe Web sites and concluded that their purpose was less than innocent.

"Whatever any of these websites original intent might have been, it is pretty clear that they have been (put) up for an audience with pedophilic leanings," Sturges wrote.

Some of the Webe Web images certainly push the arousal envelope, Aftab said. Consider Tiffany Teen Model, where for $75, customers can purchase a video of the 13-year-old and a friend cavorting in thong underwear.

"The girls model for each other, do each other's hair. You know. Girlie things. ," states a description of the video.

The FBI, which declined to be interviewed for this story, is having a hard time keeping tabs on all the could-be child porn that is distributed over the Internet. The number of cases opened by the agency's Innocent Images National Initiative jumped 1,264 percent between 1996 and 2000, according to the FBI's website.

Groups such as Cyberangels and Pedowatch have picked up the slack by enlisting thousands of volunteers across the globe to scan the Internet for lurid images of children.

"It's getting harder for pedophiles to function on the Internet," said Julie Posey, the director of Pedowatch. "These (girl-model) sites may be their way of getting around the law.

"Why else would someone pay to see kids in their underwear?" she asked.

The mother of "Jessi The Kid" insists her daughter's site is geared toward other children, and that her daughter enjoys planning the themes for the photo and video shoots.

"There's so much smut on the Internet, we're completely on the opposite end of that," said the mother, who refused to give her name, referring to herself instead as "Jessi's mommy."

She said she didn't know who was buying pictures and videos of her daughter because she had no face-to-face interaction with customers. She said the site is profitable.

"Let's just say that from her portion of the earnings, she could apply for medical school right now and not have to take out a loan," she said.

But while Webe Web and Jessi's mother say they don't know what their demographic is, a quick peek at the girls' virtual fan clubs make it quite clear: men with nicknames such as "Cum ta Poppa."

At one of Amber's fan clubs, "humberthaze" writes: "We only get glimpses of her potential when she does a bit of 'bump and g,' but then she quickly relapses into something awkward and childish. Sometimes you can hear the photog get excited when he gives us what we/he want(s). She'll do a little killer wiggle and we hear him say quickly, 'What was that?' or 'Do that again!!!'"

Another complained: "She's gotten too developed for my taste, I doubt I'll be an Amber fan anymore."

The Webe Web sites are also featured on several adult search engines and pedophile links.

Jessi's mother said she was "amazed" to learn that her daughter's website was linked on Fresh Petals, a forum dedicated to people attracted to prepubescent girls.

"If they enjoy looking at a kid baking cookies in a video and find that arousing, that's their own sickness, not ours," she said.

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Thanks for the link.

Much appreciated.

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Thanks for the link.

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who cares, better the old dirty guy jerking off at home looking at little girls run around then on the side of a middle school playground

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who cares, better the old dirty guy jerking off at home looking at little girls run around then on the side of a middle school playground


Tack, sometimes your wisdom amazes me. Advance to Go and collect 200 Lubriderm bath soaps.

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who cares, better the old dirty guy jerking off at home looking at little girls run around then on the side of a middle school playground

That little pre-teen slut is a product of our ultra liberal, ultra sexual t.v. culture. Anyways, kiddie porn is fucked, its suck, but IMO I don't think it should be illegal. Whoever looks at kiddie porn hasn't hurt anyone, has he? Is there a connection between a person who looks at at little girls pic and a person who molest little kids? Sure that person deserves to be shunned or whatever but its like If I like looking at pics and videos of dead people and people getting killed must make me some kinda murder.

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Meh. I'm gonna kill some kittens either way.

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quote:
"This is definitely not kiddie porn in any form," said Webe Web spokesman Evan Gordon. "None of our sites have naked children."
quote:
"We decided to see if there was a market for this and there was," Gordon said.
quote:
"If you had a cute dog that I could put up on the Web and make money off of, I'd do that too," he said.



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Gordon said he had no idea why someone would shell out $25 a month to browse pictures of little girls in bikinis.

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"If they enjoy looking at a kid baking cookies in a video and find that arousing, that's their own sickness, not ours," she said.


Ok.

Judging by the first set of three quotes, it's pretty apparent what this guy is all about...he's trying to make money, and like most producers of pornography thinks of his actors/models as meat (like a dog? C'mon!), and is basically just trying to get some money out of this. Bot he and the girl's "mom" are both being wilfully ignorant (bullshit!) of their demographic and they are encouraging child pornography in the same way and for the same reason that 99% of the guys who look at the chicks in Maxim also have no problem with pr0n.

Seriously...this is going to come to no good...

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Is there a connection between a person who looks at at little girls pic and a person who molest little kids?

Oh yes, there is. I would have to check my stats but I think it's safe to say that 100% of convicted paedophiles kept monster stacks of child porn. And the "This is a victimless crime" idea (that's just so libertarian!) is fine until you consider the psychological harm to the model herself, who is probably going to end up a total whore. This kind of over-sexualization at an early age has been linked to psychological problems down the line over and over again.

Also your analogy is wrong...if you pay for videos or sites where people are killed (ie snuff films), then you are in fact supporting them to go out and kill more people...just as when you pay for videos or sites where kids are exploited, then you are helping to support the exploitation. Nuff said.

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I don't see how you are going to be able to frame a sensible law to completely stop this sort of stuff, to be honest.

I suggest a giant computer to read everyone's minds and dispense electric shocks when their thoughts stray, for example, to thoughts of sexual relations with Hilary Clinton.

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"She said she didn't know who was buying pictures and videos of her daughter because she had no face-to-face interaction with customers. She said the site is profitable. "

And that's really all that she cares about, apparently. This 'mother' needs to be kicked in the face a few times.

http://www.jessithekid.com/yoga.html - definitely not trying to hint at anything sexual......

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I don't see how you are going to be able to frame a sensible law to completely stop this sort of stuff, to be honest.


And I seriously doubt you ever will. The European versions of the above site("Naturist" and "Lolita" sites) make it look tame.

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Hopefully she'll keep up the yoga so that she'll be nice and limber for Goatboy.

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I don't see how you are going to be able to frame a sensible law to completely stop this sort of stuff, to be honest.

I suggest a giant computer to read everyone's minds and dispense electric shocks when their thoughts stray, for example, to thoughts of sexual relations with Hilary Clinton.



Here's a sensible law: Anyone sixteen years of age and older can do what they wish, be it porn or have sex. Currently we have in place some pretty draconian laws regarding human sexuality which state that until you're 18 years of age you can't do what you want with yourself. The state of Wisconsin has one of the most messed up laws in this deartment.

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Social, why set the law at 16 vice 18?

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Romeo was 14, Juliet was 12. Fact. The whole ruckus was about getting her married off before she was a 14-year-old "old maid." The average lifespan was around 30 back then and they had to start popping out younguns as soon as they got quim-hairs, so the difference in perspective with our own 70+ year lifespans is notable. But it's still no excuse for whoring out your kids before they're even ovulating, though.

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Social, why set the law at 16 vice 18?


I ask: Why 18?

By 16 they've already hit puberty (or at least they hopefully have, unless they're messed up biologicaly) and are looking to get laid. May as well let them without fear of the law sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

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I don't think that this kind of thing can (or should be) illegal, but I would understand compeltely if social services kept a close eye on children who participate in this type of hting.

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