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This comes from www.antiwar.com and is kind of interesting. I use the word 'oil' a lot when I comment on our "War on Terror" plans to save us all from the evils of Saddam but I found this to be yet another angle to consider. I realize that it is just an opinion but the guy has great credentials. Hell, he has written for Playboy and think tanks around the world consider that periodical to have works from some of the finest writers around and the best airbrushed babes in the world.


Armageddon by Morgan Strong

When we go to war in Iraq we will do so to summon the Messiah. That is what the Christian right believes. The final battle to rid the world of all non-believers, non-Christians, more exactly non-Evangelical Christians, is going to take place very soon at Armageddon in Israel. The Bible tells us so.

Rev. Jerry Falwell believes fully, and un-equivocally that we must go to war with Iraq to set in motion the cataclysmic events that will ensure the second coming of Jesus Christ. War with Iraq will lead to the end of the World, as we know it. God will reign and Jerry Falwell will sit at the right hand of God.

Israel will be no more. Israel will be destroyed during the apocalypse. Any Jews that survive anywhere will be converted to Christianity. Or more precisely, Evangelical Christianity.

The Moslems, the Jews, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Shintos, the Animists, the Voodooists, the Catholics, et al, will be converted to the Evangelical Christian legions of the Lord commanded by Jerry Falwell.

If you believe otherwise, if you believe that Biblical prophesies as interpreted by the Christian right are so much lunacy, you are in the helpless majority. Because the Christian right has extraordinary influence in the administration of President George Bush. George Bush is one of their number. He does not attempt to hide this; he is quite deliberate in his public discussions of his re-birth, and his salvation. He was saved from a life of excess when he embraced the rigorous teachings of the Christian Evangelicals.

The Christian right managed, through the rebirth of George Bush, to gain a good measure of influence over the most powerful nation on this earth. The Christian right believes that only the apocalypse will purify the souls of the heretics, and the United States will be the instrument to bring forth God’s wrath. The great resources, the military might, of the United States is part of the divine plan to bring the Apocalypse upon us.

Jerry Falwell has made the truth about the administration's desperate attempts to go to war with Iraq frighteningly clear. Falwell has said publicly he believes Mohammad the Prophet was evil. Falwell said that Mohammad was a terrorist. That is why he and the Christian fundamentalists support Israel in their battle against the Palestinians. Because the battle Israel is fighting against the Moslem Palestinians is to reclaim the lands of biblical Israel. Evangelicals believe the lands of ancient Israel must be reunited in order to fulfill the biblical prophesy of Christ’s return to earth.

That is why George Bush makes no effort to stop Ariel Sharon’s furious attempt to drive the Palestinians from the occupied territories. Sharon will restore the ancient Hebrew Kingdom, including Judea and Samaria, provinces which make up the modern-day West Bank. George Bush makes no effort to protect the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat because the Evangelicals tell him not to.

When President Bush told the Israelis to withdraw their tanks and troops from the occupied territories last April, Falwell sent him a letter of protest. Falwell had his followers send one hundred thousand emails to President Bush to support his demand. Israel did not withdraw its tanks and troops and George Bush stopped calling. George Bush has given Ariel Sharon a free hand since.

The Evangelicals are Bush’s core support. They are the people who helped him defeat John McCain, who once called Jerry Falwell "evil". in the crucial South Carolina primary. Falwell’s Evangelicals called thousands of South Carolina voters to inform them that McCain has a black child. (McCain and his wife Cindy adopted a little girl from Bangladesh.) These righteous people do not believe in the mixing of the races. The Bible tells them the mixing of race is an abomination.

These same pious people, who await the coming of Christ, find nothing wrong with murdering doctors who perform abortions. These virtuous people and their leader are the same people who have condemned homosexuals, and will never give women the right to an abortion. These devout people regard other religious beliefs as heresy. They want to go to war with Iraq so that millions will die in the apocalyptic horror that will follow for their own salvation.

What is frightening is the language President Bush uses when he describes Saddam and others as the "Evil Ones," the "Evil Doers," to incite the American people to war. They are the same descriptions; carrying the same religious connotations, that Jerry Falwell and his flock employ to describe non-believers. George Bush is a child of their beliefs. George Bush seems to believe he and Ariel Sharon are locked in a struggle together against the "Evil Ones" for the world’s salvation.

Sharon represents the key to the coming salvation. The Evangelicals adore him. Sharon has said often he wants to reclaim the land of ancient Israel. He believes the Palestinians have a homeland – called Jordan. He does not want peace with the Palestinians, and he does not want Iraq to remain a threat to Israel. Sharon and Falwell have formed a partnership based on the lunacy of biblical prophecies, and the insanity of Sharon’s vision of the resurrection of the ancient Hebrew Kingdom.

We, the majority of Americans, are only observers, and have no real influence to stop what will surely occur. There may be a reason for the war. Saddam is truly a very bad person. He should be removed. But he is not the only bad person who runs a country. Where do we stop? Or do we stop at the second coming?

What worries me is that we may be going to war to fulfill what a few deluded people believe to be biblical prophecy. And what really worries me is that we have a President who might believe this nonsense, too.
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Morgan Strong a former professor of Middle Eastern History at S.U.N.Y. Poughkeepsie, is a consultant to 60Minutes on the Middle East. He has written for Playboy, USA Today, Vanity Fair, and many other publications.

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Reassuring to know Tony Blair will go with nutty George Dubya when this finally happens....

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This is about the sixth source, including Time Magazine, that has ran an article that says that the Fundies are trying to start the Apacolypse. It's kinda scary.

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GW reminds me of the president Cliff Robertson played on Escape From L.A.

I guess i don't mind living in the End Times.

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For me, this is just an example of having an hypothesis, and then making your data fit the hypothesis, no matter how far-fetched and idiotic is your conclusion.

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this whole thread is a joke right?

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For me, this is just an example of having an hypothesis, and then making your data fit the hypothesis, no matter how far-fetched and idiotic is your conclusion.

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Oh, then it must be true...


Clearly capitalism is the whore of Babylon, the US the ten horned beast which carries her...and GW the anti-Christ making war with the "lamb" (which I guess is Iraq LOL!!!!) and you’re all going to die and go to hell.


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ya youre right wonderaz, its another angle (snickers) to consider...cause there is no reasonable justification of war against Iraq on the merits. And clearly Bush wants to be the anti-christ...thats why he rebuilt Babylon...oh wait, that's saddam trying to do that....whatever..

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Fucking lunatics. If said God really gave such a shit about us humans I don't think he'd have let all this happen. Quite frankly these people do nothing but provide amusing insights to books written long ago in a time none of our modern crusaders could tolerate to live in. As long as they don't bring it to my front doorstep I'll be happy.

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here come 4 invasions of the holy land!
i think of this stuff a lot, because...uh. because it's bizarre. i watch the jack van impe show (christian news!) whenever i can, and he seems to think that the apocalypse is coming. furthermore, as one of the saved, he's happy about that. i couldn't say that anybody is trying to push anything in that direction (said invasions of the holy land, for example), because if they believe that much then they'll have to be looking for the other "prophesied events" and as far as i know (which is further than is healthy, i'm sure) there is no contender for the antichrist crown at the moment.
wait until someone enacts a plan for a global registration, or some sort of universal debit card/id thing. also, marks on hand or head and all that COULD BE FIGURATIVE, but it's best to be wary. none of this matters when the lord comes, right?

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George W. Bush = GWB = Great World Beast!!

IT'S THE END OF DAYS!

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Oh, then it must be true...
Clearly capitalism is the whore of Babylon, the US the ten horned beast which carries her...and GW the anti-Christ making war with the "lamb" (which I guess is Iraq LOL!!!!) and you’re all going to die and go to hell.
bow down before the one you serve

you’re going to get what you deserve.

ya youre right wonderaz, its another angle (snickers) to consider...cause there is no reasonable justification of war against Iraq on the merits. And clearly Bush wants to be the anti-christ...thats why he rebuilt Babylon...oh wait, that's saddam trying to do that....whatever..

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i'm not sure how one would reconcile those people with the popular vision of the antichrist, but otherwise i agree that it is pretty fucking weird that there are people out there getting giddy about the possibility of the rapture. of course, from the relevatory christian perspective, it makes perfect sense.

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I have thought recently that if I were a smarter, or maybe more motivated person that an interesting topic to write something on would be a coming holy war. In effect, such a thing exists in the Middle East already and many sides would love to spread it. In countries that are a majority Islamic population, or that have a moderate Islamic government, internal extremists wish to topple the sitting governments and institute Sharia, or Islamic law. With huge population shifts, many countries throughout the western world have a large influx of peoples from these nations.

Of course, most Muslims are not of this stripe, however its interesting to wonder how many are, and how much can a small amount of detirmined people influence events.

Tom Clancy should write his next book about some moderate states being overthrown and unrest/violence in other popuation centers. It wouldn't be very PC and in the movie they'd have to make them Russian, but it would be his best book since Red Storm Rising.

Anyway, Fortune has a great article (as usual) on a war with Iraq and what the aftermath could mean:

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The victors gathered on the northwestern coast of the Italian Riviera in a town called San Remo, then as now a place of respite for Europe's wealthy. It was April 1920, a moment that in the argot of the 21st century we would call an inflection point. They were there to divide up the world. The Great War was over, and its merciful end brought a halt not only to killing on a historic scale but to a world order. The Ottoman Empire was finished. The conquering imperial powers of the war, France and Britain, convened at San Remo to conclude a peace treaty with Turkey and to parcel out the spoils of what was supposed to be the War to End All Wars. And those spoils, they knew very well, included oil--lots and lots of oil.

For that reason San Remo was to be a private affair, a matter between those countries, Britain and France, with rich histories in colonial intrigue. Shut out was the nation for which the first world war represented the end of isolationist innocence. A relative novice at the imperial game, the U.S. would have lost the war's most valuable prize were it not for a man named A.C. Bedford. He was neither diplomat nor politician, but the chairman of what was then known as Standard Oil of New Jersey. And when the British and French concluded the deal at San Remo that divided between them the entire future output of Middle Eastern oil, Bedford intervened. He got a copy of the agreement from a friend in the French delegation and passed it on to the State Department in Washington. Alarmed at what had happened, the U.S. quickly became a player in the Middle East.... (read the rest0

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I was looking for that picture I used to see as a kid. The one with all the cars crashing when Jesus comes.

Yes, it's like a nightmare. With real bullets.

(I found the picture here. With some duct tape.
http://www.melbaworld.com/kidspage2.html )

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Roll your eyes all you want to, you are simply displaying your narrow view.

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I got dibs on the white horse.

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Like Saddam is going to nuke the US, yeah.
How many Iraqis were part of the 9-11 team?

and wtf does this have to do with anything?


Iraq cannot hurt us.

no? not ever either? why because they don’t want to? because they don’t have capabilities yet? He flings missiles into other countries to try and draw them into war (on top of hordes of other dastardly shit and we have to fucking baby-sit an entire region because of him) and you think he is above giving terrorist groups with the same enemy in common bio/chem (nukes when he gets em) weapons? You going to stake your child's life on that?

Oh wise (broadminded??) wonderaz, what do you suggest we do with someone with the same track record as saddam? hmmmmm?
bake him a fucking pie?

The Fifth column is already here and didn't come from Bagdhad. That is where the damage will come from.

woooogie booogie booooogie!

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euphorbia, you're killin' me here!!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

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I want Bush to bring on the End Time. I'm ready for my fight with the Lamb. His blood will be spilled before my feet and I will feast on his liver.

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euphorbia, you're killin' me here!!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

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