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Thumbs down shame on us for letting him prepare..

we should have gone in right away and surprised him...fuck bureaucracy.


WASHINGTON, Feb. 15 — Iraq's strategy to thwart a United States-led attack calls for slowing American troops' advance toward Baghdad and then confronting them with the prospect of a bloody street battle in the Iraqi capital, according to American intelligence.


To impede American and allied forces, Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s administration has developed plans to blow up dams, destroy bridges and ignite its oil fields, American defense officials say. They say Iraq may also deny food to Iraqi civilians in the southern parts of the country to try to create a crisis that would saddle advancing allied forces with the responsibility of caring for millions of desperate Iraqi civilians.


Once American and allied forces approach Baghdad, they will encounter two defensive rings of elite Republican Guard forces, the United States defense officials say. Many of the Republican Guard forces are now dispersed, a move that is intended to help them survive the airstrikes that would open the allied campaign. But once the war is under way, they are expected to rush to fighting positions that have already been stocked with ammunition and supplies.


Some Republican Guard units are equipped with chemical protective gear, as are Special Republican Guard units and some intelligence and security forces inside Baghdad, according to intelligence reports. This is one of several signs that have led American officials to conclude that Iraq will try to use poison gas or germ weapons against the American and allied forces.


American intelligence agencies have also concluded that it is likely that Iraq will try to strike Israel with Scud missiles, weapons that officials said could be armed with poison gas or germ warheads.


"We have indications that their goal is to delay, impede and deny U.S. forces a clear and quick victory," a defense official said. "The basic strategy can be summed up as disperse, absorb and move to military operations in urban terrain."


As the United States, Britain, Australia and other members of President Bush (news - web sites)'s "coalition of the willing" prepare for military action to topple Mr. Hussein, American intelligence is working hard to figure out Iraq's intentions. American officials say Iraq's deployments and even statements by Mr. Hussein provide an indication of Baghdad's strategy.


Senior American military officials insist they are confident of achieving a decisive victory and of avoiding a prolonged war. Allied ground forces are far better trained and equipped than Iraqi troops, and allied air forces already have command of the skies.


Iraq's army is about a third of its size during the Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) of 1991. There are mounting indications that the morale within Iraq's regular army and even some of the Republican Guard forces is low. Mr. Hussein faces multiple threats: one from the American-led invasion force and another from a restive Shiite population and perhaps some elements of his armed forces that would rather try a coup than see the American military invade and occupy the country.


"At the end of the day, if called on, win we will," said Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the head of the United States Central Command.


Iraq, however, is striving to take a weak hand and make the best of it. Its objective is much different than in the 1991 conflict. During that war, Iraq's goal was to hold on to Kuwait, and it positioned the bulk of its ground forces far from its capital.


But this time, Mr. Hussein has one overriding goal: survival. His aim seems to be to force the Bush administration to seek a political compromise that stops short of toppling his administration by spurring fears of extensive allied casualties, dragging out the war and raising concern around the world over the fate of Iraqi civilians.


"There is no victory option for Iraq," said Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, a retired marine and former chief of the United States Central Command. "The question for Iraq is how to prolong the conflict. For Saddam, the goal is to inflict casualties and allow the Arab news networks to broadcast pictures of civilians dying. He will try to gather international support and try to find a place in history."


An American defense official said: "What lessons have they learned from the last war? They have learned that the possession of weapons of mass destruction is a force multiplier even if they are not used. And they have learned that they should not deploy forces out in the open but disperse them and then move into urban terrain and intermingle with the civilian population."



Slowing the Allied Advance





Drawing on its experience during the gulf war, Iraq is not mounting a major defense of its borders. But it is taking several steps to try to bog down American and allied forces as they try to advance to the Baghdad. United States defense officials said Iraq had shipped rail cars full of ammunition and demolition equipment to its oil fields. That spurred concerns that Iraq planned to blow them up to hamper the invasion and portray it as an economic and environmental catastrophe.


United States officials said Iraq had also considered plans to destroy dams and flood the Euphrates River, a move that could make it more difficult for forces to cross the river, slowing an offensive. Iraq's 11th Infantry Division has been stationed near the city of Nasiriya, where it can try to put down a Shiite rebellion in the city and guard the crossing points over the river. Iraq has also moved some light infantry and artillery south to the Basra area.


"If hostilities begin, Saddam is likely to employ a `scorched earth' strategy, destroying food, transportation, energy and other infrastructures, attempting to create a humanitarian disaster significant enough to stop a military advance," Vice Adm. Lowell E. Jacoby, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Congress this week.

Iraq is also positioning surface-to-surface missiles. Iraq has placed Al Samoud missiles north and west of Baghdad. American intelligence believes that the missile can travel much farther than the 90-mile range that is allowed by the United Nations (news - web sites). Iraq has also placed Ababil-50 missiles, Ababil-100 missiles and Soviet-designed Frog rockets north of the capital. American Defense officials say the missiles have been put in place both to strengthen Iraq's defenses in the north and to threaten population centers like Kirkuk and Mosul if they fall into the hands of American or Kurdish forces.

To threaten Kuwait and American forces there, Iraq has also deployed mobile missile systems in the south near Basra. On Tuesday, American and British planes attacked an Ababil-100 mobile missile system there, and on Wednesday they hit another. Those missile deployments, as well as the deployment of an antiship missile launcher near Basra that was attacked last month, represented an escalation in Iraqi war preparations.

American intelligence reports that Mr. Hussein has authorized his commanders to use chemical and perhaps biological weapons. It is difficult for intelligence experts to determine if the munitions being sent to Iraqi forces have chemical or conventional warheads. But American intelligence has noted that protective gear against chemical attack has been provided to Special Republican Guard forces as well as intelligence and security personnel charged with defending Baghdad and other cities. It has been provided to some Republican Guard units outside Baghdad as well.

United States intelligence agencies have concluded that Iraq will try to use chemical weapons against American forces. The intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has a small covert supply of long-range Scud missiles, which can be equipped with chemical or biological warheads. The intelligence agencies believe it is likely that Iraq will try to fire them at Israel in an effort to portray the war as a battle with an American and Israeli coalition and build support in the Arab world.


Defending Baghdad




It is in Baghdad, however, where Mr. Hussein's administration is expected to make its last stand. A city of 4.5 million, the size of Detroit, it is a potential urban battleground where Iraq has its best command and control and most loyal forces. The Pentagon (news - web sites) has received reports that the city is stockpiling food, apparently preparing for a long siege.

The approaches to Baghdad are protected by three Republican Guard divisions: the Medina to the south, Al Nida to the east and the Hammurabi to the west. The Republican Guard is considered Iraq's most capable and loyal force.

Mr. Hussein has kept regular army forces far away from Baghdad, because he does not trust their loyalty and they are not deemed to be very effective. A brigade from the 3rd Armored Division, however, has been stationed for months at Ramadi, on a western approach to the capital.

To defend Baghdad, the Republican Guard units are establishing two defensive rings: the first is about 50 miles from Baghdad, and the second is on the outskirts of the capital. The use of defensive rings is part of a long-established Iraqi strategy, one that Iraq employed in its war with Iran and that Mr. Hussein talked about in a January speech to top military commanders.

"When the enemy approaches with its infantry and armored units to storm our defensive position, we will absorb the momentum of its offensive through the successive defense lines, destroy him and defeat him," Mr. Hussein said. "That will be the fate of all invaders."

American defense officials say that Iraq's defenses consist of fortified fighting positions, including revetments, tanks and other heavy equipment. Iraq is not constructing long defensive lines or trenches as it did during the 1991 war. This appears to be part of Iraq's plan to ride out the American and allied airstrikes.

Having experienced 43 days of bombing during the 1991 gulf war and four days of day and night bombing during the 1998 campaign ordered by the Clinton administration, Iraqi forces have considerable experience with American air power. Because of that, Iraq has dispersed its tanks and other heavy equipment. Some military equipment is also positioned near schools and mosques in an effort to shield them from allied attack.

Iraq's strategy seems to be to absorb the initial round of American airstrikes and then rush its forces to their fighting positions outside Baghdad before allied forces arrive. In terms of air defense, many batteries of antiaircraft artillery have been placed in Baghdad. The Iraqi military is constantly moving its mobile surface-to-air missile systems in an effort to elude American detection and attack.


Fighting in the Streets




A central question, however, is whether Mr. Hussein will pull the Republican Guard divisions inside Baghdad as the Americans and their allies close in. Traditionally, only the Special Republican Guard and Iraq's intelligence and security services are allowed inside the capital, a precaution against coup attempts.

"To fight effectively in the city, he will have to pull important elements of the Republican Guard inside," a defense official said. "But he will be extremely reluctant to do so until the last moment, since they can be as much a threat to him."

Perhaps the main factor is not the number of Iraqi troops nor their specific tactics: it may come down to the Iraqi military's will to fight against a technologically superior and better trained adversary. American intelligence believe that the morale of Iraq's regular army forces is low and on the decline. Even the morale of some Republican Guard units is suffering, officials say.

Much will depend on whether Iraq's generals perceive the American-led force as foreign invaders to be resisted at all cost or as a vastly superior force whose eventual victory will usher in a new day in Iraq.

"We expect some resistance from the Republican Guard," an American defense official said. "From the regular army, we expect very little."


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malnurished head hole...

"we should have gone in right away and surprised him...fuck bureaucracy." - euphorbia...

Yeah. Fuck democracy!

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whole head malnurished ...

quote:
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"we should have gone in right away and surprised him...fuck bureaucracy." - euphorbia...

Yeah. Fuck democracy!



Whose democracy?

And there will be no democracy anywhere unless we manage to find our common sense.

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Oh, he's using the Meatshield defense again. I don't want any war, but i can't see how these people can support a guy who obviously cares so much for his people that he's willing to starve them to death just to win a war.

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"Whose democracy?" - Euphorbia.

Perhaps I should've said, "Fuck the democratic process" instead, as your assertion 'fuck bureaucracy" would limit discourse, which is what the democratic process is about.

So, in short. I meant our democracy, which is what you were saying we should fuck.

"And there will be no democracy anywhere unless we manage to find our common sense." - Euphorbia.

Really? We're the solitary beacon? The lighthouse in the mirth of socialism and dictatorship? The superman in a world of lex luthers and bin laden look-alikes!

Perhaps your paranoid?

Just a thought...

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quote:
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"Whose democracy?" - Euphorbia.

Perhaps I should've said, "Fuck the democratic process" instead, as your assertion 'fuck bureaucracy" would limit discourse, which is what the democratic process is about.

So, in short. I meant our democracy, which is what you were saying we should fuck.


No, thats not what I was saying we should fuck, and democracy doesn’t = bureaucracy. When I said "fuck bureaucracy" I was referring to "frustrating rules: complex rules and regulations applied rigidly" which in this case are not constructive to logic and destructive...period.

We knew what we were dealing with…there is wide consensus in the world community which is why the inspectors are an issue in the first place.






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Really? We're the solitary beacon? The lighthouse in the mirth of socialism and dictatorship? The superman in a world of lex luthers and bin laden look-alikes!


and since the rest of what I said flew over your head, Ill not even respect this enough to retort.

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Perhaps your paranoid?



Perhaps.

Perhaps youre just too arrogant to respect those who target us enough to see them as a threat or feel concern that a tyrannical narcissistic dictator has made him self a nascence and a danger to the world...or to feel any sympathy or hope for those who live everyday under his rule.

just a thought.

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...i can't see how these people can support a guy who obviously cares so much for his people that he's willing to starve them to death just to win a war.
Exactly what I thought when I read it.

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Odd, I just realise that they don't subcribe to the same cultural code we do.

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solo...

"No, thats not what I was saying we should fuck, and democracy doesn’t = bureaucracy. When I said "fuck bureaucracy" I was referring to "frustrating rules: complex rules and regulations applied rigidly" which in this case are not constructive to logic and destructive...period." - Person.

So, which "frustrating rules and regulations" which have been "applied rigidly" are you certain we should fuck?

"there is wide consensus in the world community" - Euphorbia.

For what?

"Perhaps youre just too arrogant to respect those who target us enough to see them as a threat or feel concern that a tyrannical narcissistic dictator has made him self a nascence and a danger to the world...or to feel any sympathy or hope for those who live everyday under his rule." - Euphorbia.

Yeah. I think we should do something about Kim Jong II, too. But I didn't see anything about him in the article you posted...

Anyway, I'm sure your unicorn heart is raw with blood for the people you are advocating we bomb. Hope. Sympathy. I've got those in spades which is exactly why I do not support war.

There are always options, and so far no government anywhere has presented one worth hearing.

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Odd, I just realise that they don't subcribe to the same cultural code we do.



what are you trying to define as culture?
Who do you mean by "they"? Saddam?


Ill be back to play more with you feral a bit later....

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quote:
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what are you trying to define as culture?
Who do you mean by "they"? Saddam?



Er, culture as in, well, culture. Moral values, personal beliefs, the stuff they've been steeped in since they were born. And no, the people that support Saddam, not the guy himself.

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Play with Feral. I can't promise to provide much of a presence until Monday.

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this war better kick off soon. i was hoping it would be over before the new season of 24 started. wouldnt want Newsnight and J Paxman fucking up the tv schedule. some people have no respect.

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Re: solo...

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[B]

So, which "frustrating rules and regulations" which have been "applied rigidly" are you certain we should fuck?


the ones that have put our soldiers and the Iraqi people in the position they are in due to the bureaucratic nonsense (more resolutions, more useless failing inspections, more time for him to prepare while the French remind us they are an old country who knows war and in the same breath thanks the US for saving them from fascism BUT its not something they will afford the Iraqis) while Saddam gets ready to do the shit he has always done, the same shit that has us babysitting the whole fucking region...the same shit we knew he was capable of while we allowed ourselves to fall in to this inspection farce again.



quote:
For what?


That Saddam is a dangerous threat...pppsssst...thats why the UN has demanded he disarm...UN resolutions he agreed to in order to end the 1991 Gulf War... ones he is breaking...



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Yeah. I think we should do something about Kim Jong II, too. But I didn't see anything about him in the article you posted...


err..thats logical...[sarcasm] since there is more than one bad person in the world we should just ignore them all[/sarcasm]
and now that he has become a nuclear power...due mostly to our last administration's idiotic foreign policy and the failure of UN inspections we have to go about it differently...you don’t just start bombing a nuclear power...especially if they are san by tyranny.

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Anyway, I'm sure your unicorn heart is raw with blood for the people you are advocating we bomb. Hope. Sympathy. I've got those in spades which is exactly why I do not support war.


Indeed it is, just like it was for the women under the Taliban which people just like you (and probably you too) called me names for not seeing their gross oppression as culture and their lives under freedomless tyranny as their right...like they fucking chose that...
But yes, and I have talked about it and other places for a long time..none of this is new for me...even with Saddam, I thought and think he should have been removed right after the war. as far as your "spades" Ill just quote my self again"

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with all your crying about civilian casualties I would think you’d have been screaming to remove Saddam on his human rights violations...lovely little things like torturing children in front of their parents cause one of their parents dared to dissent...and that’s if they are lucky because killing off a man's entire family for infractions is pretty widely practiced, his off spring are just as ruthless. So why aren’t you crying about that? That happens every day with no hope for change less someone comes and helps them. With war at least there is hope of change. I saw a family who made it out of Iraq respond to a question about what they thought about people like you, the mother's eyes welled up while the father said "they should just be quiet, they don’t know what they are talking about. Living under saddam is hell and it is a better death to die from a bomb than to be tortured by Saddam's men."
I have seen others talk about what happened to them, their eyes glass over, and I’ve seen them kick like they were falling in a dream while they relived through memory the nightmare that is Saddam's rule. These are the people who dare to protest, try and start political movements, just verbally dissent. They are killed off right away...no chance unless they live in areas saddam doesn’t control.

You sir are no friend of the Iraqi people. You are a champion of trendy, fashionable politics based in ignorance or limited understanding. If you were honest in your stance and not blinded by your hate for Bush you would welcome change for these people whose suffering you claim to champion.



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There are always options


yeah...the ones we have tried for 12 fucking years...let not wait till saddam pulls off the hat trick north Korea just did. Especially considering Saddam's track record.


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and so far no government anywhere has presented one worth hearing.



You’re not listing.
You haven’t heard anything for 12 years.

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[B]Er, culture as in, well, culture. Moral values, personal beliefs, the stuff they've been steeped in since they were born. And no, the people that support Saddam, not the guy himself.



Ok, youre all over the place... to someone saying "I cant believe people would support him" you say "they are different cultures (to read" you’re disrespecting their right to culture?)
I know what culture is...whose culture are we talking about?
The Iraqi people's? Is their oppression part of their culture?
The protesters? There are American protesters...it has nothing to do with culture really...trends maybe but trends shared among many cultures. I don’t really understand what you were attempting to say
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Ok, youre all over the place... to someone saying "I cant believe people would support him" you say "they are different cultures (to read" you’re disrespecting their right to culture?)


Er, no. I never accused nymbus of disrespecting anyones culture. I was in fact making an observation, one that clearly flew over your head. She couldn't identify in any form with the individuals that make up Saddams army, while I simply realised that they have a different moral compass to you or I.

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I know what culture is...whose culture are we talking about?
The Iraqi people's? Is their oppression part of their culture?
The protesters? There are American protesters...it has nothing to do with culture really...trends maybe but trends shared among many cultures. I don’t really understand what you were attempting to say
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I mean the Iraqi people that actively support Suddam.

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We should definitely legislate using commonsense.

In this case, it isn't common to everyone and it doesn't make any sense.

YAY

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A surprise attack on Iraq one day, without the world and thus Iraq knowing beforehand, probably wouldn't have gone over very well.

I would guess that we effectivly lost the element of surprise the last time we invaded them. If not, at least two State of the Union speeches beforehand probably gave them a pretty good idea.

Of course, we did give them the requisite year and a half that it takes to set up such mind-numbingly strategically complex ideas as burning their oilfields, not to mention the totally unexpected goal of trying to "delay, impede, and deny US forces a clear and quick victory." It hadn't occured to them prior to all this to institute a scorched earth policy, or to bomb Tel Aviv (an interesting question this time is will Tel Aviv bomb back?). They've spent the last 10 years assuming that no country in the world was itching to bomb the fuck out of them at any moment, right?

Sarcasm aside, I really don't think that any expanse of time is going to allow Saddam any significant advantages. With the technology we have, the moment we decide war is going to start and unleash what we have to offer, they will be surprised enough.

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With the technology we have, the moment we decide war is going to start and unleash what we have to offer, they will be surprised enough.


You mean, like, bombs.

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Smartie bombs.

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