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A Muslim cleric has been found guilty of three charges of soliciting murder by an Old Bailey jury.



Sheik Abdullah al-Faisal, 39, of Albert Square, Stratford, east London, denied five charges of soliciting murder and four others relating to stirring up racial hatred.

The charges related to talks he gave which were recorded and put on sale.

The jury found al-Faisal incited young, impressionable Muslims to kill non-believers, Americans, Hindus and Jews.


Chemical weapons


Al-Faisal argued his words were taken from the Koran, the Muslim holy book, and had been misrepresented.

One tape, Jihad, contained the words: "So you go to India and if you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money, is that clear?"

He also said it is permissible to use chemical weapons to kill unbelievers.

In a tape called Rules of Jihad - thought to have been made before the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States - Al-Faisal told his audience: "You have to learn how to shoot. You have to learn how to fly planes, drive tanks and you have to learn how to load your guns and to use missiles."

'Holy war'

He said: "You are only allowed to use nuclear weapons in that country which is 100% unbelievers."

On a tape entitled Declaration of War, which had a picture of Osama Bin Laden on the cover and is thought to have been made in 2000, Al-Faisal translates one of his speeches calling for a holy war against Americans and Jews to "drive them out of the Holy Land".

The tape called Them Versus Us says: "There are two religions in the world today - the right one and the wrong one. Islam versus the rest of the world."

It was also disclosed that controversial cleric Abu Hamza was due to be called as a witness in the case.

Embarrassing antics

Unknown to the jury, Abu Hamza appeared before the judge during a pre-trial hearing to outline his evidence.

However, the defence decided to drop him as a witness during the month-long case as Abu Hamza's antics caused more and more embarrassing headlines.

In a separate development after the trial ended, it emerged police are to investigate an attempt to bribe the judge, Common Serjeant of London Peter Beaumont.

He was sent a letter from Scotland offering him £50,000, although Mr Beaumont stressed there was nothing to suggest it was connected to al-Faisal.

Al-Faisal was also found not guilty on two counts of soliciting murder. He was also convicted on two charges of using threatening behaviour and one of distributing threatening material.

He was acquitted on one charge of possessing threatening material.

Al-Faisal will be sentenced on 7 March.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2782987.stm



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to even call these people 'Muslim' is an insult to all true followers of the Muslim faith. i'm very happy to finally see something done about these 'folks'.

as for our friend Abu Hamza? he could be deported soon, but i hope he too stands trial. has he not actively recruited among british Muslims for terrorism abroad and raised funds for terrorist groups? i think so. so do others.



going back to al-Faisal, here are some of his rants:


1 At 15 boys become soldiers. Jihad training must be compulsory. When you buy toys for your boys buy tanks, guns and helicopter gunships.

2 Even if you are hit by a cruise missile, the pain will feel like a mosquito bite.

3 Democracy is not the way forward.The way foward is the bullet. Might is right.

4 Once the word of Islam was spread by the sword. Today we are going to spread it with the Kalashnikov.

5 It is wonderful to kill a non-believer, crawl on their backs and push them down into the hell fire.

6 Peace with the Jews is a myth. When there is a legitimate target, you strike at it. If women and children die, they become collateral damage. Kill the pagans wherever you find them. You can use biological warfare and chemical warfare, weapons of mass destruction.

7 Jews love black magic. What is the name of their magic? Kabala. Even Madonna is studying Kabala. She has a Rabbi who comes to her home and gives her private lessons. Kabala is Jewish magic.

8 The UK is a fertile ground for hypocrites to spread, the way the garbage dump is a fertile ground for cockroaches.

9 In this country, the same judge who puts a man in prison for raping Sarah Payne and abducting her, strangling her and killing her, issues a permit to sell pornographic videos and magazines to turn that man into a pervert.

10 The British are the greatest enemy of Islam and Muslims.



loony tune. dangerous, loony tune. quite happy to live in the uk though, isnt he?

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Saw a bit of an interview with Al Faisal, he is indeed something of a loon. He could get up to life in jail, apparently.

I wonder where we are going to deport Abu Hamza to? We won't deport him somewhere that his life is in danger, so God knows where we will send him. Maybe Afghanistan, one of the bits where the taliban have re-emerged.

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the bigger question for me is whether this academic gets extradited to America after they said he was the leader of Islamic Jihad in Britain. I see no one over here is willing to do what John Ashcroft says and arrest him..... well no yet anyway.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2786185.stm

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i'm just shocked we are finally doing something about it. shocked, but happy.

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