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Stile might be in trouble

Use misleading domain name, go to jail?


By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
March 26, 2003, 11:23 AM PT


WASHINGTON--The U.S. House of Representatives is scheduled to vote Thursday on a proposal that would criminalize using misleading domain names to lure unsuspecting people to sex sites.

Under the proposal, a last-minute amendment to an unrelated child abduction bill, people who knowingly use an innocent-sounding domain name to drive traffic to a sexually explicit Web site could be fined and imprisoned for two to four years. An example of an innocuous-sounding domain name with pornographic content is WhiteHouse.com, which is not sponsored by the Bush administration.

A second amendment that is scheduled for a floor vote at the same time renews Congress' campaign to outlaw "morphed" or virtual child pornography. Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court slapped down Congress' first attempt to ban nude images of computer-generated minors and underage teens, saying the 1996 law violated the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of expression.



The current proposal would ban the creation or possession of "a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image" that is "indistinguishable" from a real minor.

The House Rules committee late Tuesday adopted a procedure that permits both amendments, and six others, to be considered during debate over an unrelated bill to create an "Amber Alert" notification network for child kidnapping cases. The Amber Alert bill encountered modest opposition when House Judiciary chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., decided to turn it into a broader proposal addressing criminal penalties, sex tourism and wiretapping.

The amendment related to domain names is sponsored by Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., and is similar to a bill he introduced during the last session of Congress and reintroduced this year.

Pence's amendment says that anyone who uses a misleading domain name to try to lure people into visiting an obscene Web site faces up to two years in prison, and anyone who tries to lure a minor to a sexually explicit site that is "harmful to minors" faces up to four years in prison. It applies to any Internet domain name, including those in non-U.S. country codes like .uk or .nl, and a congressional source predicted it would pass easily during the expected floor vote.

Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, says his organization has not taken a position on the Pence amendment.

Johnson said, however, that the ACLU has reviewed the child pornography amendment and believes it to be unconstitutional. "It still allows prosecution for virtual child porn," Johnson said. "That flies in the face of Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition."

In that case, decided in May 2002, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that Congress' attempt to ban any image that "appears to be" an unclad youth was akin to prohibiting dirty thoughts. "First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end," the majority said. "The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought."

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Stile is a Canuckian.

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It applies to any Internet domain name, including those in non-U.S. country codes like .uk or .nl

.ca would be covered by this as well. Though I really doubt that Canada would extradite him.

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I don't think that the UK would be able to extradite anyone here found guilty of it, because it isn't a crime in the UK. I guess that this law might allow those domain names to be shut down (allocating the dns stuff is a US thing, isn't it?).

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I don't think that the UK would be able to extradite anyone here found guilty of it, because it isn't a crime in the UK. I guess that this law might allow those domain names to be shut down (allocating the dns stuff is a US thing, isn't it?).


There was a law passed in the US that made it possible to convict and "extradite" anyone who committed a crime on US soil.

That included crimes that passed through the US on their way around the internet.

I can't find a link to it, but I remember the thread at the time.

It basically means that if my little brother e-mails me a photo of him having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend (the age of consent or something in Holland) that passes through an American server, I could be extradited to the US for trafficing in child porn.

Basically.

If someone can link me to that law I would be most gratefull.

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They can try and extradite people, but no country will agree their extradition, I don't think. It is hardly as if the US would, if the roles were reversed, either.

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It looks like the bill this thread was originally referencing just got passed:

http://news.com.com/2100-1028-99446...tag=fd_nbs_emed

Shit, these PTA soccer-moms are going to define everything as misleading.

HairyBeavers.com is pornographic? My son was trying to do a science report. My daughter thought Vin Diesel was a wussie and went to xxxpussy.com and found nudity, how inappropriate. My acne tormented teen went to facial.com and got more than she bargined for, yadda yadda yadda.

This is the worst law ever. Well, at leas the worst law passed today.

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quote:
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They can try and extradite people, but no country will agree their extradition, I don't think. It is hardly as if the US would, if the roles were reversed, either.


Had to think of this one...

Belgium amends law to avoid prosecuting President Bush

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“It’s a serious problem,” said US Secretary of State Colin Powell, after he was named last week in a lawsuit for alleged crimes during the 1991 Gulf war along with former US president George Bush and current Vice President Dick Cheney.


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Yeah.. I can see north Korea sticking to this law for sure...

Someone tell me when America took over the world?

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I'd like to vomit in your underware and make you wear it for a full week.

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They can try and extradite people, but no country will agree their extradition, I don't think. It is hardly as if the US would, if the roles were reversed, either.


I'm with smug. No one is going to enforce this crap internationally. Its like the abuse@ email I have to trawl through that says things like 'I am issuing warrents for the arrest of these spammers under US Federal Law and I am taking your company to court for allowing it to happen' those always give me a giggle.

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I guess that this law might allow those domain names to be shut down (allocating the dns stuff is a US thing, isn't it?).


Not really. Only some of the root nameservers are in the US. The allocation of domains with country suffixes are up the local registrar and completely out of the control the US government.

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Then it makes you wonder why they would try and pass a law that has unenforcable elements in it. Maybe they hope that other countries will eventually agree, as they seem to be hoping with copyright laws. Either that or they will hope that the person travels to the US on holiday and will arrest them then!

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There might be a way of shutting down if the Registrar is based in America I guess. There was a story on the Register a while back about just that kind of thing where the Supreme Court ruled that regardless of where the website was hosted, the primary ownersghip of it came down to the soil upon which the Registrar was based. I posted it in the Politico forum actually.

oh yeah, and smug, DNS is distirbuted by design as macker said.

DNS related RFCs

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DNS turns me on... I am a wierdo.

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I think the part about not excepting country codes is aimed at snagging those US residents who run sites not legal here with a country extension, thinking it places them in the clear.

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My daughter thought Vin Diesel was a wussie and went to xxxpussy.com and found nudity


You might want to make sure she doesn't get curious about cinderella.com.

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Then it makes you wonder why they would try and pass a law that has unenforcable elements in it. Maybe they hope that other countries will eventually agree, as they seem to be hoping with copyright laws. Either that or they will hope that the person travels to the US on holiday and will arrest them then!


They do it mostly for re-election reasons; "Congressman Dipshit, working with his fellow members in Congress, has helped to pass The Black is White Omnibus Act of 2003, which will be used to prosecute those who deny the truth as set forth by the United States Government. Now all Americans can breathe easier knowing that they no longer have to take the time to think things through to a logical conclusion, and can use the time saved for pursuit of better things like applying for that second job to help make ends meet!" their press release will say, making themselves look good to their constituents. It matters not that the legislation actually is worthy or that it will be effective - they do it just to appear to people that they are actually doing something to justify getting their vote. It's style over substance.

Following close behind are the reasons you mentioned in your quote.

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You might want to make sure she doesn't get curious about cinderella.com.


Yeah, I don't really have any kids... so, yeah.

Anyway, back to how much America sucks. I'm moving to Sealand.

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Yeah, I don't really have any kids... so, yeah.

Anyway, back to how much America sucks. I'm moving to Sealand.



You don't really have any kids? Does that mean you kind of have some kids but they don't meet the definition of kids? Pseudokids perhaps?

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They do it mostly for re-election reasons; "Congressman Dipshit, working with his fellow members in Congress, has helped to pass The Black is White Omnibus Act of 2003, which will be used to prosecute those who deny the truth as set forth by the United States Government. Now all Americans can breathe easier knowing that they no longer have to take the time to think things through to a logical conclusion, and can use the time saved for pursuit of better things like applying for that second job to help make ends meet!" their press release will say, making themselves look good to their constituents. It matters not that the legislation actually is worthy or that it will be effective - they do it just to appear to people that they are actually doing something to justify getting their vote. It's style over substance.

Following close behind are the reasons you mentioned in your quote.



And hence the reason we have so many fucking retarded, unenforced, and even unenforceble laws on the books, and why not only do we need lawyers, but thousands of different specialty lawyers, with paralegal researchers.. blah blah blah blah... and so on and so forth.

I love demogogues.. I mean democracy, yeah thats the word.

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That's easy. We'll control all of them eventually in the New American Century, and we'll need the laws on the books so that we can begin busting all those Scandinavian kiddy-pr0n idiots in wooden shoes.

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