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How to Speak English (Oxsan)

How To Speak English

Just a little over one half of the words in the Oxford English Dictionary have their roots in other languages than Old English (which was derived largely from Western Germanic with a sprinkling of Norse words loaned to it by the Vikings). One might be tempted to say then that English w3as a Romance Language because moiré than half of its words derived from Latin and Greek through Old French. But English is not a Romance language because its syntax is wholly Germanic and Old English. It has been my conviction that our English is much stronger when we use the words derived from Old English and give4 the words derived from the French back to them except where we lost an English word. Let me illustrate with some English sentences that are all or nearly all
pure Old English:

“We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender”

Only one word of Sir Winston Churchill’s speech above was not straight from pure Old English. Can you guess which one? The answer is “surrender” which is from an Old French root.

“With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right…”

Abraham Lincoln’s words above are pure English except for ½ a word. “Firm” is from a Latin root.

“Oh say can you see by the dawns early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming?”


The only intruder from the French here is the word “proudly”.

“How do I love Thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the breadth and depth and height…”


Elizabeth Barrett Browning knew a good deal when she saw it and only used one word derived from French. Spot it?
Yup, it is the word “count”.

The following examples are pure Old English derivatives:

“With this ring I thee wed, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, in sickness and in health”
“The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want…”
“Earth to earth, dust to dust, ashes to ashes…”
“Drop dead”.
“Up yours”
“I love you, darling”
“Thank God!”


“It is the old words handed down from the West Germanic of the North Sea coast that are the flesh and blood and bone and guts of English and its hide and hair as well”

These examples all came from Robert Claiborne’s great book Our Marvelous Native Tongue. I’ll add a couple of quotes below

I like the Anglo-Saxon speech
With its direct revealings.
It takes a hold and seems to reach
Way down to your feelings.

Eugene Field


“An Anglo-Saxon , Hinnisy, is a German that has forgot who was his parents”
Finley Peter Dunne

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I forgot to add that most profanity and emotional emphatics come naturally to our lips from OL English. You seldom hear an English-speaker say "Merde". The following are all Old English derivatives:

"Holy Shit!"
"Fuck you!"
"Knave!"

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The answer is “surrender” which is from an Old French root.



For some reason I found that rather funny.

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We don't put verbs at the end like the Germans do, though.

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Over the fence to the cow some hay throw.

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Over the fence to the cow some hay throw.


Which is my point, it sounds bad.

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We don't put verbs at the end like the Germans do, though.

They do in Pennsylvania.

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They do in Pennsylvania.


Maybe it's an inbreeding thing.

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Trust me, it is.

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Re: How to Speak English (Oxsan)

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Just a little over one half of the words in the Oxford English Dictionary have their roots in other languages than Old English


Actually, from what I've read (and this may refer to words in common usage, as opposed to the OED), closer to 80% of English words are from Latin via French, about 5% Ancient Greek, and at least another 5% from Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch, Russian, Turkish, Hindi, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Leaving less than 10% Anglo-Saxon (although those 10% of words are used more frequently than most). I think I read this in Hobsbaum's The Loom of Language, but that was in 6th grade, so I don't remember exactly.

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We don't put verbs at the end like the Germans do, though.

I object!

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They do in Pennsylvania


They do in several towns in Texas also. New Braunfels, Fredricksburg, Comfort, Giddings, Muenster, Brenham, Priddy
and probably many others are towns where a knowledge of German stands one in good stead. In Fredricksburg if you go into a store and ask for soimething in English you might get it and you might not. If you did not get it go back and ask for it in German. Good German, Bad German--makes no difference. You will usually find that they have the articles you ask for in German.In the city of West you had best know Czech.

The sentence above about the cow and the hay I heard a farmer
say to his son near Priddy Texas.

But you are right Smug, it is not normal English word order but in general the syntax of English is much more closely related to German and Norse than to Latin, Greek or French.

The Texas towns I mentioned above are not new towns. Some of them date back to Spanish land grant days. Of course everyone in town speaks English of a sort but in the home everyone speaks German. School is taught in English. Admiral of the Fleet Chester W, Nimitz of World War II fame was born and reared in Fredricksburg.

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