if you rape a chick it doesnt mean she wants to have sex with you

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Dingle
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if you rape a chick it doesnt mean she wants to have sex with you

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If a woman is nice to you, that does not mean she wants to have sex with you.
If a woman goes on a date with you, that does not mean she wants to have sex with you.
If you take a woman out to an expensive dinner, that does not mean she wants to have sex with you.
In fact, the only time a woman wants to have sex with you is when she says so.

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Ok i've heard this retarded commercial way too many times in the past few days. I mean, is this supposed to be some sort of public service or something? God I hope my taxes dont pay for this shit (duh of course they do)

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They are just testing you when they say no.
It's not real sex unless they are screaming for the police.

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The thing is, even if they say they want to, the minute they change their mind and say "no" you're supposed to pull out. What the fuck is that about? That's about the time you shove your hand down their throat and try to rip out whatever you can grab. I think it's that way in california, at least, remember hearing it on the radio. May not necessarily be that way, just heard them talking about it becoming possible law. I think they all just want to be raped, that's what it's coming down to anymore.

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The thing is, even if they say they want to, the minute they change their mind and say "no" you're supposed to pull out. What the fuck is that about?

been there. we did all the forplay and I went 'in for the kill' and just as I was perched she said she didn't want to anymore. I rolled off and told her I was sorry for making her uncomfortable.
honestly speaking, if she isn't in to it (at any time) and you still are then you're a sicko. if you ignore the trust person below you, then you might as well just be tossing off to some porn mag because you're missing all the best parts of fucking.

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Rape is having sex with someone without their consent when you know that they haven't given consent, as far as I am aware, including if they change their mind in the middle of it all. The defense that 'I didn't know' it a valid legal one, though (certainly in the UK) so it might be that ads like this are aimed at reducing the ability of men to claim that 'I didn't know , because, you know, we were good to go and she seemed into it'. There was a sexual assault case here where the man's defense (and he was a sort of eminent guy, a senior lawyer or a judge or something like that) was basically 'I spent a load of money on her meal and she came to my hotel room afterwards...'. He lost as I remember (because the jury accepted that he should have known better) but 'getting the message to everyone' isn't always that easy. Of course, for people that know that buying a woman an expensive meal doesn't mean that they get sex in return, the ads are patronising and annoying and a waste of money. If you were a woman who saw your rapist walk on that defence, though, you might be more keen on seeing the message driven into everyone's heads.

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Dingle
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you havnt experienced the best parts until you've had a 11 year old blonde girl with her legs strapped to the wall and.... err, yeah what you said.

seriously though, is this not common sense?

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seriously though, is this not common sense?

Pretty common, I'd have thought. Although some men don't seem to get it (not many, but you don't need that many to create a lot of hurt).

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The defense that 'I didn't know' it a valid legal one, though (certainly in the UK).

Not for long. Labour are getting rid of it. The new legilsation literally means that unless you have a signed contract then you're lying when you say 'I honestly believed she was up for it'. Sorry, not 'you're lying' it's 'cast doubt on your testimony'. This is particularly the case if the jury believe that the 'victim' was under the influence of say alcohol.

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the question is, were there civil lawsuits filed in thes cases?

And what if i were to say "stop" while a chick was riding me (yeah fat chance i know), would the penalties be as harsh? would the jury be as unforgiving?

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is particularly the case if the jury believe that the 'victim' was under the influence of say alcohol.

As it stands, a drunk person cannot give consent to anything, really, so under the current laws having sex with someone that you know to be 'drunk' (whatever that means) can lead to a trial for rape (although it rarely does, and when it does convictions are rare).

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As it stands, a drunk person cannot give consent to anything, really, so under the current laws having sex with someone that you know to be 'drunk' (whatever that means) can lead to a trial for rape (although it rarely does, and when it does convictions are rare).

if it werent for booze id be a non-fuckin virgin

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quote:
Originally posted by Smug Git
The defense that 'I didn't know' it a valid legal one, though (certainly in the UK) so it might be that ads like this are aimed at reducing the ability of men to claim that 'I didn't know , because, you know, we were good to go and she seemed into it'.

my point is that of course you know. I would be tempted to jail anyone who used this sorry, flimsy, excuse. I've never had any problems telling when I should back off. the idea that someone could be intimate enough with someone to fuck them, but have no idea that the other person isn't playing along seems ludacris to me.

the only grey area I can see is if she tells you she wants you to fuck her so stupid hard she'll ache from it in the morning right before passing out. even then, it might be a good idea to just use her underwear and yank one out over her naked, unconsious, body.

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quote:
Originally posted by Smug Git
As it stands, a drunk person cannot give consent to anything, really, so under the current laws having sex with someone that you know to be 'drunk' (whatever that means) can lead to a trial for rape (although it rarely does, and when it does convictions are rare).

just to turn the blade .. what if the guy is drunk, too? if judgement is imapred by alcohal, then couldn't he just plead temporary insanity and attend a couple 12 step meetings?

*flips the sword around*

no from a drunk whore is still no .. and if some shmuck is to drunk to understand then he should probably spend a little time in the clink to think about his 'honest mistake'.

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Alcohol that you imbibed knowingly (ie, your drink wasn't spiked or anything like that) is not a defence against crimes of intent, normally. So even though in practice you could mount a logical defense of the statement 'I was to drunk to know better', it isn't allowed as a rule (for practical reasons, I imagine).

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my point is that of course you know. I would be tempted to jail anyone who used this sorry, flimsy, excuse. I've never had any problems telling when I should back off. the idea that someone could be intimate enough with someone to fuck them, but have no idea that the other person isn't playing along seems ludacris to me.

There was a case in the UK, a lawyer told me, where a guy convinced another guy that his wife wanted rough sex/simulated rape with a stranger. The women, as it turned out, didn't want it that way (or at least, all that much) and the stranger got off as he honestly believed it but the husband was convicted of rape (he couldn't be done for 'accessory to rape' because the stranger wasn't done for rape). Although in practice, 'of course you knew' is probably the case.

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Does it matter, though, if she says "I do?"

I know that, up until at least the 1970's, a man could rape his wife and it was entirely legal in most states.

I think there have been some domestic abuse provisions put in place since, though it's rather shocking.

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Nooooo No No No ... Ooh... yes Yes YESSS YESSSS....no no YES NO OUCH.. WHAT THE FUCK????....GET OFF ME YOU SICK BASTARD!!!!!

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I thought oysters were a great aphrodisiac: then I tried "mace."

Seriously, though, I've never had sex with a woman were rape could even be accused. This is why, maybe, you should get to know someone and perhaps hang out with them for a while before bumping uglies. Run those bases in order and you shouldn't have too many problems.

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Does it matter, though, if she says "I do?"

I know that, up until at least the 1970's, a man could rape his wife and it was entirely legal in most states.

I think there have been some domestic abuse provisions put in place since, though it's rather shocking.

I reckon that would be my single biggest fuckup if I had to rape me wife, I may as well insert every kitchen knife into my body and every frying pan I own up my ass, cut off my prick and superglue it to my forehead,,,,, I can rest assured my fucking wife would as soon as I fall asleep.

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