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Movies & Media Matrix Reloaded

More AICN stuff. But, according to most screening accounts, the movie is a big disappointment.

HOWEVER, my take on it is that as the reviews are by fanboys, it is half a case of unrealistic expectations, and the fact that part of what was so cool about the original Matrix, as with the original movie in any series, is that it introduced the concepts and characters that became loved, so, in a sense, sequels are almost always a letdown because there isn't that same sense of "newness" to them. I half suspect that to be the reason people are letdown by this movie. It takes what is already established and runs with it, whereas what people loved about the first one is what it established. And, from the sounds of it, that method of punch block punch block fighting gets pretty old fast.

Anyway, here's a review, from Good Old Harry. If you search the Main Page, you'll see a lot of similar sentiments.

I'll still see it, though the reviews are helpful in tempering my expectations just enough to where I might enjoy it.

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Go watch the movie and see for yourself. I don't want to read an article written by some geek that expects his 'mind to freed' by watching this movie. He probably pirated the movie off the internet and realized he should of watched it at the theatre for the first time.

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That 'review' isn't really a review as such - it IS spoiler city though, so I skipped to the end - the guy who wrote it liked star wars episode one AND episode two, so he is obviously an idiot.

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Matrix was a top silly film, most enjoyable indeed. Sequels to silly films can make the sillyness more apparent and even dominant though (Lethal Weapon and the James Bond series, for example). Of course, sequels to blockbusting films are also the holy cash cow.

Note that Bad Boys was too silly in and of itself for me to be too interested in Bad Boys II, in my opinion.

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quote:
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That 'review' isn't really a review as such - it IS spoiler city though, so I skipped to the end - the guy who wrote it liked star wars episode one AND episode two, so he is obviously an idiot.


I liked them too, but I just liked them, in no way were they great films like the first 3. They just had really cool special effects and fight scenes. And remember (though I wasn't alive then), A New Hope got terrible 'reviews' before it came it out as well.

Really cool special and fight scenes eh? Irony might of just kicked me in the ass.

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Matrix was a top silly film, most enjoyable indeed. Sequels to silly films can make the sillyness more apparent and even dominant though (Lethal Weapon and the James Bond series, for example). Of course, sequels to blockbusting films are also the holy cash cow.

Note that Bad Boys was too silly in and of itself for me to be too interested in Bad Boys II, in my opinion.



MATRIX WAS NOT SILLY, AHHH MY EARS ARE BLEEDING.

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http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/matrix.html

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matrix, like sixth sense, was very cool the first time you saw it if you didnt know what was coming. then you see it a second time and it's all silly fun. I cant see how they can possibly recreate the same effect with the sequel, because the audience expectation has already been broadened by the first film. guess i'll find out tomorrow. yay.

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Am I one of the few people going to see the "Matrix Reloaded" purely to see *gasp* WHAT HAPPENS? That's what this movie is supposed to do, it is supposed to expand upon the original and continue the story and flaunt some more crazy special effects.

I think the "Matrix" stands on its own, time and time again. I have watched that movie a bunch of times, I saw it three times in the theater alone, I own it, and every single time I'm amazed at the film. Hell, after seeing it a first time I had to see it a second time just to try and take it all in. Spectacular movie. I know these next two will not do the same, all I can ask for is that they are both visually and mentally stimulating and that the story is decent enough.

And "Attack of the Clones" was quite possibly better than "Jedi." Stop saying how bad it was, "Jedi" is not much better than "Phantom Menance."

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heh, Lucas should have stopped at THX1138, IMO :P

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quote:
Originally posted by Smug Git
http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/matrix.html


Alright, you freaks, including you. It's a god damned movie. Some people just get lucky and are allowed to create these movies for people. You on the other hand must be very jealous. Why? Because people like him (or those guys) go so into depth in this shit it makes me want to puke.

[geeky voice]ummm, A kick this far above the policeman's center of gravity would have caused him to rotated backwards. The slightly downward direction of the kick would not have swept him off his feet. What's more, since Trinity was about half the cop's mass and the collision of her foot with him was largely elastic (it didn't stick to him) Trinity should have bounced backward to conserve momentum. [/very geeky voice]

I really want to punch this guy in the face. I guess some people have nothing else better to do. I bet what fueled this is that the guy hated the fact that Keanu Reeves was in it, and he wished that it was him being projected as a hero to all his old high school chums that used to make fun of him.

It's just ssssilly! Why don't you take your head out of your ass and try to enjoy a movie. And if you didn't enjoy it, well why don't you shut the fuck up? If I see a movie and I think it sucks, I say it sucks and go whack off. I don't release my frustrations of not getting laid by dwelling so deep into a movie I don't like because it's popular and trying to find every single thing wrong with it.

Oh dear, I'm already turning into the same geek by trying to defend the movie. There's a shitty thing about reality, it sucks. I like hearing people say they could of wirtten it better. Well lets see you come up with your own ideas chief?

FUCK SHIT CUNT PISS DIE.

[ps. i already know i'm out of touch with reality]

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hehe, that guy already did come up with his own idea - a website that talks about movies, and physics, and... physics in movies! (or rather, lack thereof)
That matrix one in particular was pretty average, but some of the films they 'review' there are funny.

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You say

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It's just ssssilly! Why don't you take your head out of your ass and try to enjoy a movie. And if you didn't enjoy it, well why don't you shut the fuck up? If I see a movie and I think it sucks, I say it sucks and go whack off. I don't release my frustrations of not getting laid by dwelling so deep into a movie I don't like because it's popular and trying to find every single thing wrong with it.


Wheras I had already said:

quote:
Matrix was a top silly film, most enjoyable indeed.


The attack on the matrix on the website was mostly that the story made no intrinsic sense, which for some people (me included) does make a difference to my enjoyment of the movie. The bit about the centre of gravity is part of their overall campaign to illustrate that many of the standard devices used in movies (guy getting hit by shotgun flies straight backwards 10 feet, sparking from bullets, etc) are just nonsense; because they have no actual basis in reality (in which case one might expect to see them again and again, because they are a reflection of what is real), they are, therefore, derivative. One director puts them in because another director did the same. That is relevant, the amount of derivativeness (if that is a word) in a film, I would say. The front page of the website has a list of common nonsense physics that appears in movies.

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either way, i got my tickets for 1:30am thursday =)

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Sorry Smug, you're right on the part that you just plainly said, "I didn't enjoy it." Yeah, so sorry for including you in whatever I was ranting about.

I didn't notice the site was based around that whole arguement, and it's kind of interesting. What I don't get is this, how come he didn't involve Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? The same guy did the fight scenes in The Matrix.

Atleast this guy used his degree in physics to it's full potential

[edit: "Although we hate to admit it, sometimes there are good artistic reasons to defy a law of physics." I just answered my own question. I should read this shit more before opening my big mouth.]

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You weren't posting much when Paint linked the site in this thread, so you wouldn't have seen it before.

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Umm... I dunno. The whole humans-for-energy struck me as pretty stupid too, when I first saw it. I just ended up sitting back and said, eh, what the hell, I'm willing to put up with a little stupidity for a fun movie, which the matrix was. It's fun. Not a masterpiece, but a good way to waste 2 hours or however long it is.

And I'm expecting about the same for the next one.

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Re: Matrix Reloaded

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I'll still see it, though the reviews are helpful in tempering my expectations just enough to where I might enjoy it.

This is it for me as well. Antidote for my spending too much time looking forward to it.

And ah well, perhaps I won't want to see it later on imax after all.

I also like reading spoilers, but that's different.

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I've been off reading spoilers.

I'm back to spending too much time looking forward to seeing this

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i agree with slight. the first time i saw it it was really cool, and each subsequent time was less so. of course, i was really stoned the first time. but it was a good movie for action, and i like watching the occasional action movie. i'll watch the sequels to see what happens, and mostly to see the effects and wacky fight scenes.

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Go watch the movie and see for yourself. I don't want to read an article written by some geek that expects his 'mind to freed' by watching this movie. He probably pirated the movie off the internet and realized he should of watched it at the theatre for the first time.


Well, just to defend AICN, the guy whose review I linked is Harry Knowles, and has for the last few years been named one of the most influential people in Hollywood. The site itself is basically a fanboy rumor mill, but with Hollywood Street Cred. Harry literally has an army of spies in the industry, and he is known to put a bug up most studio's asses by releasing things that were not intended to be known, Hollywood moves, deals, talks, etc. It's sort of like reading Variety, but written by fanboys, and way before things get officially announced. And, if you're into movies and want to know about what's coming down the line, or what Spike Jonze is up to, or who George Clooney is talking to, or who is rumored to be cast for what role, etc etc, it's a real good site to have bookmarked.

That said, it is basically run by geeks, which is both its charm and its weakness. Harry himself, as a reviewer, tends to gush over mediocre blockbuster movies like Spider Man, and even when he hates something that George Lucas does he ends up apologizing for it (i.e. "but even though Jar Jar sucked and Jake Lloyd can't act, I think we can find something here to appreciate"). And, you can't imagine how pysched he must have been to see a screening of Reloaded. I bet he wet himself with anticipation. So, that, combined with the nature of his work (rumor mill, tracking the ins and outs of projects for five years before they ever hit screens, etc), makes him a very NON tabula rosa reviewer.

And, I hate spoilers, so I didn't read half of his take on the Matrix. Hell, I haven't even seen a preview for it yet.

Here's a non-spoiler (mostly) review from AICN from one of Harry's spies. Basically, about what me and missphinx mentioned. It's a positive review, but sounds very cautionary about tempering your expectations before you go in and see it.

We'll see. Post your thoughts when you guys see it, I likely won't hit it till Monday (spoiler warnings please, for us clean slate guys).

In any case, always fun to watch geeks go at each other's throats. I expect the fanboy community to get much riled up by this one.

Oh yeah, and I agree with Smug or whoever, as I said in my first post. I think the problem was that one of things that people so enjoyed about The Matrix was its newness, and I think that's part of what is going to get people let down.

We'll see though. 20 posts in less than a day, seems that the movie will certainly draw them in.

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Thanks for clearing that up paintchips. As I said that site is pretty interesting. Though, never in a million years would I ever notice the stuff like that in movies, and now I will. I'm not too sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Atleast when I make a movie I'll be prepared

Atleast I won't be upset if the movie doesn't meet my expectations, because I was warned. Though, wouldn't it be kickass if the movie beat our expectations? BUT, it will 'kick ass' in all sorts of effects.

*crosses his finger*

Here's some brain candy that will get y'all stoked:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.05/matrix2.html

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