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Homeopathy?
I'm wondering if anyone here has ever tried homeopathic remedies for any ailments, and had any success.
I'm trying a cream called Traumeel for an injury that's been lingering.
http://www.heelbhi.com/heel_traumeel.html
any thoughts or stories? i know the europeans on the board are probably more likely to have tried the remedies.
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Unless you can count my dad telling me to "rub a little dirt in it and walk it off!" I've never tried those remedies.
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Originally posted by Phil
homeopathy is just a placebo.
i remember reading an article about the placebo effect, which basically stated that it's fairly powerful and should be utilized more in medicine.
but beyond that, what makes you say it's a placebo?
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what makes you say it's a placebo?
As I understand homeopathy, the production process of it involves taking 1 part of "active" ingredient and adding it to somewhere in the region of 10000 parts of distilled water and then mixing thoroughly. You then take 1 part of the solution and add it to a new 10000 part distilled water. The number of times repeated defines the strength level, the minimum level being 6. The solution you end up with is something like the equivalent of one drop of original ingredient in all the ocean's of the world.
I say it's a placebo because it's water.
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quote:
Originally posted by Phil
As I understand homeopathy, the production process of it involves taking 1 part of "active" ingredient and adding it to somewhere in the region of 10000 parts of distilled water and then mixing throughly. You then take 1 part of the solution and add it to a new 10000 part distilled water. The number of times repeated defines the strength level, the minimum level being 6. The solution you end up with is something like the equivalent of one litre of original ingredient in all the ocean's of the world.
that's true, but as i understand the theory, the active ingredient being present in a higher concentration at one point alters the water permanently.
and vaccines are a form of homeopathy are they not?
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Originally posted by Inky
that's true, but as i understand the theory, the active ingredient being present in a higher concentration at one point alters the water permanently.
change it permanently 'how' exactly? All the academic research I have read on homepathy have shown that on 6 strength homepathic solutions the stuff is water at molecular and atomic level.
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and vaccines are a form of homeopathy are they not?
In what way exactly?
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quote:
Originally posted by Phil
change it permanently 'how' exactly? All the academic research I have read on homepathy have shown that on 6 strength homepathic solutions the stuff is water at molecular and atomic level.
i don't know enough about homeopathy to argue with that. but as to how it works, it wasn't until just recently that scientists understood how aspirin works. perhaps the same could be said for homeopathy.
In what way exactly?
it was wrong for me to say it's a form of homeopathy, however they share the idea that like treats like.
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philjit
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Originally posted by Inky
it wasn't until just recently that scientists understood how aspirin works. perhaps the same could be said for homeopathy.
perhaps it couldn't. Aspirin is aspiriin, it's a man-made chemical compound. Water is.....well...... it's water.
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it was wrong for me to say it's a form of homeopathy, however they share the idea that like treats like. [/B]
How do the share the ide of 'like treats like' exactly?
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Originally posted by Phil
perhaps it couldn't. Aspirin is aspiriin, it's a man-made chemical compound. Water is.....well...... it's water.
How do the share the ide of 'like treats like' exactly?
this is something i took from a site rather than try to explain it myself.
"Vaccination can be seen as a crude form of homeopathy in the sense that the theory behind it is based on the principle of similars. But vaccination is not homeopathic because it is not holistic and it is not individualized.
First of all, homeopathy works by stimulating the vital force and not by dealing with the immune system alone. This is because no system can function in isolation. It is the vital force that keeps all systems functioning as an organism. In this sense, homeopathy strengthens the whole organism by stimulating the vital force.
Furthermore, from a homeopathic and holistic perspective, vaccination can be a shock to the organism, especially in babies whose immune system is not even fully developed. According to homeopathy, vaccines are like "frozen diseases" that can prevent the system from actually learning to resolve symptoms on its own, while polluting the whole organism with toxic substances."
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anyhow, i really don't know enough about homeopathy beyond the little bits i have read or people have told me, so there's not much point in me really discussing it in this way.
i'm more just interested in people's experiences with it.
if all it has is a placebo effect on people, it's not a bad thing. unlike allopathic pharmaceuticals, it doesn't do any harm.
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My personal experiences with homeopathy indicates it works. When I was 7 or 8 I had suffered from a cyclic severe cough/deafness. I'd either be coughing my lungs out constantly or after a heavy course of antibiotics, develop a serious hearing problem. This went on for about 9 months, with each antibiotic course fixing the one problem only to have the other resurface. My mother got a recommendation from a friend to see a homeopathic doctor and whatever he gave me managed to clear up both problems.
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change it permanently 'how' exactly? All the academic research I have read on homepathy have shown that on 6 strength homepathic solutions the stuff is water at molecular and atomic level.
I think it's related to the whole water memory idea. Admittedly this was thought to be largely a crock of shit, but some semi-recent research had brought the subject up again.
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I believe there is something to it.
Western medicine deals with measurable chemical processes and observable physical characteristics. Holistic medicine deals with vibrations, life energy (chi) and other stuff of which I have a poor comprehension.
There's substance to holistic medicine, but its almost impossible to fairly determine the competence of its practicioners.
Caveat emptor
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Hey, I just want to say one thing...
All you fuckers who base your healing arts on undemonstrated and/or undemonstratable techniques involving "water memory," vibrations, chi, crystals, magnets, the "vital force," or moving furniture around. . .let me just invite you to stop swinging on my nuts when we discuss objective moral truths or God or anything else non-empirical.
Deal?
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you'll see "non-empirical" when i use my chi to give you the touch of death.
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Swinging on your nuts?!!?
First they got to drop.
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All you fuckers who base your healing arts on undemonstrated and/or undemonstratable techniques involving ...moving furniture around. . .
Did anyone else see that commercial with the folks moving a heavy piece of furniture around the house, trying to hit the sweet spot where the sick elderly person sat up smiling in bed? They kept going by, he'd sit up, they'd overshoot, he'd fall back, etc. I forget what it was advertising, but that was one FUNNY commercial. Feng shui, *chuckle*...
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I believe in acupuncture, but only because it works. Whether it works because it is a placebo or not, the result is the same.
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