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I'm not weird, okay?

Posted on Wed, Aug. 20, 2003
New Yorkers are anomalies amid auto-loving Americans
By Michael Powell
WASHINGTON POST

NEW YORK - As America has long suspected, no one here can drive.

Lawyers, doctors, day laborers, actors, psychotherapists: New York City has more able-bodied, nonlicensed, car-phobic adults than anywhere in the United States. Approximately 25 percent of the inhabitants possess a driver's license.

Caroline Hwang, 33, a novelist and editor, is one of New York's carless millions. She lives in Manhattan and walks, hails cabs and uses her subway card. She packs her beach towel and takes the Long Island Rail Road to the Atlantic Ocean beaches and bums a ride when friends insist on one of those bucolic weddings north of the Bronx. As a teenager in Wisconsin she had a license, but that seems so yesterday.

"I asked my boyfriend recently if I could sit in the driver's seat. I couldn't remember which was the accelerator and which was the brake," she recalled. "I feel like New York City is set up for people like me."

Bill Bastone runs TheSmokingGun.com, a whimsical investigative Web site. He grew up in Jackson Heights, Queens, a couple of blocks from the elevated No. 7 train, which rolls right into Manhattan. He went to New York University and worked for the Village Voice. He neglected to take driver's education in high school, and that was destiny. He is 42 and does not have a learner's permit.

"I don't remember dreams, as a rule, but the only ones I do recall are about out-of-control auto wrecks," he said. "So maybe I need to sit down and talk to someone about this."

Or maybe this car-and-license thing is more proof that New York floats somewhere off the East Coast. For most Americans, the car -- the Mustang, the Bronco -- packs as much iconic wallop as a horse for John Wayne. But not here -- in New York, you are defined by the IND, BMT or the IRT trains. When electricity failed last week, those carless commuters were left with only foot power.

New Yorkers plan work and play around their inability to drive. They vacation on Fire Island, because no cars are allowed. They tend to travel east to London, Paris or any other European city with a good subway system instead of heading west, say, to Utah or Wyoming or Nevada, all of which have long highways and no Yellow Taxis.

Ask Jimmy Breslin, this city's most famous newspaper columnist, why he does not drive. The 74-year-old Newsday writer begins: "I started out at a house on 101st Avenue in Queens and right there the Q-8 bus stopped. The A-train was over at Liberty Avenue. I mean, a car? There was no need. The transportation was wondrous.

"Besides," he added, "I worked the night shift at the Long Island Press, and I needed to save my extra (cash) for beer."

SEIU Local 32 BJ went looking recently for a few good labor organizers to unionize custodians in the wilds of New Jersey and Long Island. All refused.

"They simply don't drive," noted Richard Schrader, a union consultant. "I had one guy, a great prospect, but when he gets off the bus in Glen Cove, where's he going?"

Driving in New York is not natural. Periodically, the men and women at the city Department of Transportation measure the average speed of a car traveling across midtown, which they invariably find moving at the rate of a Galapagos tortoise. Then there are other problems: alternate side of the street parking, rapacious meter maids, $100 parking tickets, exorbitant insurance rates, incomprehensible and contradictory highway signs and the fact that no car in New York ever stays in its lane.

"It's bad enough to sit in the back of a taxi and watch," Bastone notes. "Who wants to be part of that?"

Even romance bends to a license-less rhythm. Chris Policano, 42, serves as chief spokesman for the City Council. A decade or so back, he asked his beloved to marry him. She said yes, but set a condition: He must obtain his driver's license.

"I'd had learner's permits, many, many permits," he recalls. "But scheduling the road test was so daunting. There was that parallel parking thing."

As it turned out, Policano took his road test along the Brooklyn docks in a blizzard. The test officer wanted to get home and said to skip the parking. So Policano is a licensed driver. But that fact has not transformed his life. "You know," he said, "it's a lot easier to say 'Taxi!'"

Jeri Drucker grew up on Manhattan's Upper West Side, a regional hot spot for the driving-challenged. She is planning her son's wedding on the far side of the Delaware Water Gap. It is a logistical nightmare. Her sisters do not drive, nor do her adult nieces or her uncle. Her stepsister drove in Los Angeles once, but she moved back to New York and gave that up.

Drucker plans to rent something akin to a school bus to haul her family out there.

"My father had a license," she said, "but that was a long, long time ago, and he never drove. Maybe this is inherited?"

In this unlicensed wilderness, the city's hundreds of auto schools hang shingles like lanterns for the auto-phobic. As Ira, an instructor at the Bensonhurst Driving School, said of himself, "I'm not a teacher, I'm a psychotherapist."

There is the man who has had learner's permits for 17 years and comes in each April for a lesson or two before he decides he cannot handle it and disappears. And there are legions of 58-year-old accountants and 62-year-old lawyers who see retirement approaching and start thinking Boca Raton, Fla., and Tucson, Ariz., if only they could drive.

"We have 75- and 80-year-old students," said Wilma Valenzuela of the Professional Driving School on East 23rd Street in Manhattan. "They always ask, 'Do I drive right away?' I say, 'Not if you haven't driven before, you don't!'"

Some drivers come in for late spring tuneups. They have licenses but have never used them and now need to get to the Hamptons. "We take them to a quiet street, sip a cup of tea and let them ease into it," said Elizabeth Lim of the Grand Prix Driving School.

All of which is very nice. But as this is New York, a tincture of belligerence can sneak into conversations with the license-less. As in, "Why should I drive?"

M.P. Dunleavey, an editor and Manhattan native, recalls relatives poking fun at her for being thirty-something and not having a license. "I didn't think it was funny," she said. "There was something gauche about having a car. It was so -- suburban."

Joe Dunlap, 34, has spiraled through the city as a bike messenger, traveled the world and now is studying to get his master's degree in education. Someday, maybe, he will get a license.

"If I get bored and I'm like 50," he said. "I just might do it."

Stranger things have happened in New York.

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what the hell do people with small children do?

I can't imagine lugging a car seat with me everywhere I went.

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Only 25 percent have a driver's license? That's crazy. I wonder if they are coutning illegal immigrants or something. I mean, I don't understand how 75% don't have a driver's license. What if you want to go on vacation somewhere that doesn't have a great transit system? I just, I don't get it.

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We don't need car seats, duh.
People carry strollers up and down staircases to get to the subway since there are no elevators.

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I think she means in those instances where you need to take your little ones in a taxi.

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My wife didn't get her driver's license until she was in her late 20s...her brother waitend until 28. They're both native Angelenos, though, and you really do need a car out here. They're weird. You're not.

I frequently wish the public transportation were good enough in LA to not need a car. As much as I like to drive, I'd love to be able to use the car only for out-of-town trips.

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i don't and can't drive also. i walk mostly, unless i am somewhere with good transit. chilliwack is not that place.

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Chicago has the "el" and a great metro bus system.
Most people don't drive to get around town. You take the train and walk everywhere.

Contrast that to Norfolk...nothing but a glorified suburb of Nowhere.

I think in the modern age decent mass-transit is the hallmark of a civilized urban center. Everything else is just the howling darkness outside the pale.

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You all make me want to go running back to my home town. Windy roads with trees, fields, cows, and none of this city bullshit!

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You all make me want to go running back to my home town.


It'll be a long walk.

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The single best mass transit system ever devised in history picks you up at or very near your door, deposits you at or very near your destination, waits for you to finish your business there, and returns you to your home or carries you to your next destination.

Its called the personal automobile.

You pitiful folk searching desperately for any way to feel superior about being essentially trapped in massive urban encrustations miss out on enormous opportunities for pleasure in life because of your abysmal failure to embrace it.

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What's this all go to do with Aydin being wierd or not.
(he is, very, btw)

The worst method for getting around this city is by car. Unless you like watching people on foot overtaking you. I've never met a bunch of more annoying drivers, the foundations of my apartment shake each morning as the commuters lean on their horns. They feel the need to let everyone know just how fustrated they are that they are stuck behind another twenty or so cars doing exactly the same thing.
More often than not this is caused by some cretin up the road having decided that it's perfecty ok to quite simply park in the middle of the single lane road, go into a nearby building, and do whatever the fuck they do. Then they have the audactiy to scream out of the window that they're busy and not to bother them, they'll be out in their own due time, if you do so much as mutter a word of complaint.

The metro is great in any big city. If you live in the country or the sticks, sorry, but you're not a citizen. Here it costs about a dollar a trip on the bus or metro, you don't have to wait for any longer than four mins. for the next one, it's clean and safe.

Still that's for the plebs, I have my powerbike, 50cc of manliness. It can take up to three people (goatboy & Mugtoe) and has the ability to go against the flow of traffic as if protected by a magic forcefield.

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I have my powerbike, 50cc of manliness. It can take up to three people (goatboy & Mugtoe) and has the ability to go against the flow of traffic as if protected by a magic forcefield.


I saw this phenomenon in Rome, it is true!

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Y'all are just plain wierd up there. We have traffic here in my town on Wednesdays. That's when the Tyson trucks come around to pick up all the chickens, and take em up to the center of town to the processing plant. Sometimes, there's an escapee, you can cheer for them for a second, untill you realize that chickens are too dumb to head away from the road. Chicken roadkill smells even worse than possums.

There aren't even buses in my town (Ducktown, GA) except school buses and church buses. We just drive. I'd hate to have to carry a bunch of junk to a train station from the store, then keep it all together on a train, then carry it home. I guess city folks do get the extra added bonus of living with high prices, high crime, and a feeling of just generally being crushed by a sea of people on a daily basis. Who'd want to miss out on all that?

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We have chicken trucks here, and more often than once a week, so we've got you beat there. Atlanta has a great subway, but people choose to live in the exurbs and drive for hours. If we need to carry shit home, we hail a cab. Prices are higher here, but we make a lot more money. And according to yahoo, you have worse crime than I do.

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i can walk anywhere i want to go, and it has yet to cause any of the frustration that the average driver experiences. well, experiences sometimes. this lack is probably due to my own personality also.
people get too wound up about driving, though. i must say.

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