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Manny for ARod, Nomar for Magglio!

Article here on the deals that are about to happen

Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Agreement: Nomar would be dealt for Ordonez

ESPN.com news services
Contingent upon a completion of the Alex Rodriguez-for-Manny Ramirez megadeal between Texas and Boston, the Red Sox have conditionally agreed to trade shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the White Sox for outfielder Magglio Ordonez, ESPN's Peter Gammons has confirmed.

However, as Red Sox owner John Henry, general manager Theo Epstein and Rodriguez met with Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 official, Tuesday in New York -- the parties reportedly discussed a restructured Rodriguez deal that would be amenable to the union -- there was a holdup in the Texas-Boston restructuring negotiations.

Late Tuesday night, Henry and Rangers owner Tom Hicks hit a fairly serious snag on that money issue that still has not been worked out. That snag is the only major obstacle in the way of completing the deal, sources have told Gammons.

Epstein, Rodriguez, and Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras, were planning to meet with the union Wednesday for more talks, The Associated Press reported.

Both the Red Sox and Rangers confirmed a report out of Los Angeles that baseball commissioner Bud Selig has established a Thursday afternoon deadline for Texas and Boston to complete the trade or end the talks.

Rodriguez and Ramirez are the sport's only $20 million men; more than $300 million combined remains on the two contracts. The Rangers have demanded that Boston pay up to $5 million a year on Ramirez's deal for the next six years, in addition to more than $179 million due Rodriguez.

Boston has balked at paying part of Ramirez's salary. Even without it, the Rangers would already save about $81 million in the deal. Talk has recently focused on whether the Red Sox would include another player in lieu of cash.

Henry hasn't responded to e-mails or calls from AP, and Hicks has been guarded about the talks, commenting only via a statement Monday. But following a series of skeptical postings about the trade on a Red Sox fan Web site, a participant identified as "JohnWHenry" said, "Come on now. Don't start to waver on us. It's the holidays. Be of good cheer! It's going to be just a great, exciting season. Hang in there."

The postings came at 4:26 a.m. Henry has confirmed that he uses that screen name for the "Sons of Sam Horn" bulletin board.

The Red Sox might also include reliever Scott Williamson as part of the agreed-upon trade of Garciaparra to Chicago, provided the Rodriguez-Ramirez deal is completed. There have been additional reports claiming right-hander Byung-Hyun Kim also would be part of a Garciaparra trade to Chicago, and still others that said the White Sox, as a way to move salary, would then deal Garciaparra to the Dodgers.

Garciaparra does not have a no-trade clause, so Boston has the right to trade him to any team. Anaheim also has been mentioned as a possible Garciaparra trade destination.

On Sunday, Dodgers manager Jim Tracy would not confirm his team was interested in Garciaparra except to say, "We're looking for somebody to fit in the middle of our order."

"Nomar Garciaparra ... is a name that would fit in the middle of somebody's order," Tracy said at the winter meetings in New Orleans. "That's what we're looking for."

The Red Sox did make one deal involving an infielder Tuesday, acquiring Mark Bellhorn from Colorado to replace free agent Todd Walker at second base.

Walker could be part of Texas' contingency plans for replacing Rodriguez. They've talked to Walker's agent about signing him to play second, which would mean moving second baseman Michael Young to shortstop.

The Red Sox have had arguably the busiest offseason, acquiring right-hander Curt Schilling from the Diamondbacks and signing former Athletics closer Keith Foulke. Adding Rodriguez and Ordonez would significantly alter a lineup that scored the most runs in the majors last season. The Red Sox were painfully close to reaching the World Series, but lost to the Yankees in an 11-inning Game 7 of the AL Championship Series.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

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Sounds good to me.

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God could be playing for the Red Sox and you still couldn't get a ring.

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Actually, I like the O's chances of closing in on a wild card with Tejada and Pudge.

Especially if that can still get Guerrero.

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They do not have Pudge nor Vlad yet. And their pitching still sucks huge donkey nads.

Besides, are you suggesting the Yankees will not make the playoffs this year by stating the Orioles will take the Wild Card?

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Maybe...

More likely, I'm suggesting Toronto and Boston won't be doing anything come October.

And from what Gammons says, Pudge is almost certainly going to the O's.

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Wait a sec. Boston won 95 games last year, their lineup will be almost comparable (no 2B yet) and they have added an ace and a top-notch closer, yet they probably will not make the playoffs?

I think you are overestimating the impact of those players on Baltimore.

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I doubt I'm over-estimating their impact, but you're right, nothing is guaranteed for them, I certainly do like their wild card chances a whooooooole lot better, though. Especially if they get Guerrero.

I notice you didn't contest the part about not even God being able to help bring Boston a WS, though.

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We already have God (Pedro), so how the hell AM I supposed to contest it?

Dude, Baltimore was 24 games behind Boston last year. 71-91. Their best pitcher was dealt to SF during the season as well. You tell me how the acquisition of three bats will make up those 24 games, especially when the pitching will give up 5 or 6 runs a game.

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Baeball sucks.



Lick my balls.

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Okay, this is why we need a sports forum. WTF. You have kill this thread, I am never clicking on it again.

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I am just not seeing the real benefit in this series of possible trades. It really looks like the entire trade will be a wash number wise. Manny and Alex will balance out in the offensive numbers while Nomar and Magglio will do the same.

It just looks like a better deal for Texas. They rid themselves of that horrible contract while Boston goes and tries to buy a ring. The only real thing I see as an improvment is getting rid of Manny and his attitude and bringing in better pitching. Other wise Alex would not add to much nor would Magglio.

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Nomar is not going to sign with the Red Sox for the 2005 season and beyond, he has already turned down a four year, $60 million offer, which is a few more a year than Tejada got. Manny also foolishly expressed interest in going to the YANKEES, so why keep him in Boston?

ARod wants to play in Boston. Magglio will stay longer than Nomar. I see big reasons to do this trade.

Unfortunately, the initial contract structuring was rejected by the player's union and there is a deadline of 6 PM EST on Thursday. Here's to hoping the deal gets done one way or another.

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Nomar wanted a loner term contract. I do not see that as a problem. He just wanted more security in Boston. Plus how would you feel when there is constant trade talk around your position before you have a chance to work on your contract.

Manny on the other hand said that about the Yankees as trade talks around him began months ago. Once again the team showed they really didn't want him so why not say where you would like to go. Especially since he is a NY native.

Arod wants to play in Boston because it has been proven he will not win in Texas. His contract choked that team and might do the same to Boston. He was never worth 20 million + a year.

It was not Bostons offense that was an issue last year. It was their pitching. They plugged some leaks and that alone was more then what they needed.

I see Arod's contract choking the wallets of Boston. I am looking forward to the season. I picked up a 12 game package for the Yanks and 2 of those games are against Boston. Gonna be one tight year.

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No no!

DIE!

Baseball, arguing about players and salaries is FUCKING GAY!



Fucking sports fanatics.

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I doubt a few extra million a year would really hurt Boston's payroll. They have more to spend this year by quite a margin and it's showing in their offseason acquisitions.

The media has been saying for years that Nomar will make any excuse to leave Boston at the end of this contract and now he has no way of proving otherwise. How much more commitment from Boston does he want than them making a top-dollar offer for him to stay for another four years past 2004? He turned it down without blinking and now they know that he will ask for more money. This all happened BEFORE the ARod talks. Nomar has made no big deal until suddenly Boston states he will be traded if possible, and that tells me right there he was assuming the Sox would cave in and give him what he wants OR he was leaving anyway. I would love it if he put his head on correctly and realized how much Boston wants to keep him, but if his concerns are not with the team then I hope he enjoys Chicago. Contract talks my ass, I don't believe for one second he would stay in Boston.

Manny has whined since the end of his first season in Boston. This is a huge baseball market and he has failed to deal with it in a better manner. He has never shown true dedication to Boston and besides, never suggest you would like to go to the enemy.

If both end up staying in Boston, that's fine. I would love it if Nomar stayed, but I think he's wanted out for years now. He'll love LA, a place where hitters die and nobody cares about baseball.

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Assmunch....scale....not responding....

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Yankees reportedly agree to deal for A-Rod


Yankees show Boston how to make a deal

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Wow! That's great news for me, MstrG!

I don't know what happened to Soriano last year. It seemed like he was destined to be one of the greats, but he went into an enormous slump last year and couldn't seem to get out of it. I'm sort of surprised right now to read that he's being traded, despite his long slump and despite his being prone to making catching and throwing errors. (Towards the end, he couldn't hit the ball, either, it appeared!) I do believe, however, that based on his past stellar performance and outstanding potential, any team would be very happy to acquire him.

I never was high on Boone. Except, of course, for that once-in-a-lifetime home run he hit to beat Boston and put the Yankees into the World Series. So I was happy that he was going to be replaced (after his foolish mistake of getting hurt playing basketball).

Jeter (team captain) and A-Rod are great friends. So this news is making me very, very happy right now. As it will all Yankee fans.

New young blood is just what the Yankees need right now, too!

(Way to go, George!)

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Jesus fucking wept.

Still, makes for interesting baseball. I actually think New England would have complete identity crisis if the Sox actually won the series. We have lived with the "curse" for so long, its actually a badge of honor I think.

Its one identity crisis I wouldnt mind experiencing, though.

But hey, one player dosent mean it wont be a race for the pennant.

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You're absolutely right. If whatsizface had pulled Martinez, you might have gone on to win the World Series!

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Little pulling Martinez. Thats up there with Buckner, McNamara was at fault not Buckner. He was playing hurt and once the Sox had the lead he should have been replaced for defence.

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I thought this thread was about RiZZ rationing things.

"You get teh manny, becuse yuo havetn had enogh"
"Yuo get Nomar becuse you had to much"

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