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Why is the Shit Hitting the Fan?

First, I would like to state that I am not a historian, but I do feel compelled to cultivate the knowledge that I do have. Please correct and educate me as needed.

Why is the Shit Hitting the Fan?

Jihad. Slow rolling and building steam. Effective at this juncture. Prudent, to use the words of Bush Sr. Civilian deaths or terrorist acts over the last 15 or more years have had more and more of an effect on Western culture and security. I don't know when it was, exactly, that the Taliban or bin Laden sniped us out of Somolia or when Gadaffy's group bombed the bunker to finally chase the U.S. and its allies out of Lybia, but I'd say that was a good starting point for the children of the 80's to consider the beginning of working Jihad. Don't forget the endless lack of displaced Palestinians and the righful land owners American powered Israel having their hundred years war, clearly the root of all that is Islam vs. Zionism and very creative terrorism.

The WTC garage bombing in '91 was the first memorable, if ever truly successful, terrorist attack on American soil and it affected the entire Western Culture, from North America to Ireland, Spain and Europe. We had seen and heard of it going down elsewhere outside of Levi Strauss' neighborhood, but were immune to it. I believe we, as a culture, weren't aware that it was even real. In our Western haze, our cultural disinformationalism, our disallusion, our home was being invaded. We welcomed terrorists into our country. Our welcome mat exploded and turned to dust.

The U.S. has been the greatest, most affluent country in the world with the greatest culture built up in only two hundred years backing it. Welcome one, welcome all. Our culture is based from seemingly hundreds or thousands of other cultures. If one feels displaced, he should come to us. Come to the U.S. to have the experience of freedom and money and things within his grasp. This is a country that is willing to fulfill his fantasies. And the tides turn.

U.S. military withdrawal proves a weak state to the hardend Islamic extremists. Failures in Lybia & Somolia; the Cold War, the Iran Contra Scandal--all these things prove weakness. Access becomes available to the well funded & well informed anti-American. Hi-Jackings successfully delivered successful messages during this time as well.

Who knows what else has been planned and scrapped by Anti-Americans, but we do know the garage bombing at the World Trade Center and the bombing of the USS Cole were quite effective 'wake up calls' for the American people, however our reaction to it, as the Conservitives love to point out, was of little consequence.

This is the most qualifying evidence over time that I have for the encouragement of the bin Laden's war with the West, however, our lack of unity at this time is of no assistance.

Events from the Lewinsky scandal to the 2000 election have continulously given evidence to an American weakness in the eyes of those that believe we are weak. Considering the depth at which we were most devistatingly attacked and our response, we have been weak.

The US has clear evidence to suggest that Afghanistan, Pakistan & Saudi Arabia contain allies which benefit terrorists. It may have made sense to attack Iraq under different circumstances, however the US had just been attacked in the worst possible way by Afghanistan's leading power. Forgive my lack of objectivity, but displacing that power is no way to answer the call. The only answer is total annihilation. I feel Bush Jr. led us to distraction with a completion of the original Gulf War. Now four or more countries have felt the wrath of this displaced leadership, including Malaysia, Australia, Turkey and most recently Uzbekastan.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, however it's a long way off and this country's best bet is to get a true leader to represent it. Where is Eisenhower to serve for 5 terms when you need him?

This several-years-combination-of-events has allowed a war, like Jihad to take shape between Western cultural extremists and Muslim extremists. I believe the only way to resolve a war which could involve a billion people is with tolerance and truth. What can this reasonable culture do to resolve this conflict?

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Re: Why is the Shit Hitting the Fan?

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I don't know when it was, exactly, that the Taliban or bin Laden sniped us out of Somolia or when Gadaffy's group bombed the bunker to finally chase the U.S. and its allies out of Lybia, but I'd say that was a good starting point for the children of the 80's to consider the beginning of working Jihad.
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in short.

In the 80s we were giving aid to a lot of these jihadists to fight off the russians in afghanistan, bin ladin declared jihad because there were not believers protecting saudi from saddam.

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The WTC garage bombing in '91 was the first memorable, if ever truly successful,




'93

I didnt get any further, I have no time.

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Re: Why is the Shit Hitting the Fan?

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The U.S. has been the greatest, most affluent country in the world with the greatest culture built up in only two hundred years backing it.


I'm not entirely convinced of that. I'm not even sure how you'd measure it. Enough to say that America has been very successful, I think, rather than to heap unprovable superlatives on it.

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Welcome one, welcome all.


Not all the time (as Central European Jews found out in the 1930s). I think that the periods when it was like that were time of great invigoration for the US.

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Our culture is based from seemingly hundreds or thousands of other cultures. If one feels displaced, he should come to us. Come to the U.S. to have the experience of freedom and money and things within his grasp. This is a country that is willing to fulfill his fantasies. And the tides turn.


Again, I think that America, where you could make or lose it all, pretty much on merit and luck, is probably over. Probably from late 1800s to 1950s, America was the best place for a guy with an idea and the willingness to work hard.

And I don't think that the first WTC bombing had the far-reaching effect that you ascribe to it.

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Hmmm, I think people living in 1930s/40s America would kill to have this relatively miniscule amount of shit hitting the fan in the 90s / 00s eh?

Buck up man. This is the best time to be alive.

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This is the best time to be alive.


And probably the most dangerous.

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And probably the most dangerous.


I doubt it.

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I doubt it.


Time will tell. Take a trip down Ilford Lane and see the muslims post multiple pic's of Osama taped to the back wind screen of their cars.

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Time will tell. Take a trip down Ilford Lane and see the muslims post multiple pic's of Osama taped to the back wind screen of their cars.


Get a grip. The Germans chucking V2 rockets at London every day compared this terrorist bullshit? Water off a ducks back so it should be.

Put it this way, mad rag heads would have to kill 20,000 Londoners a year for 5 years to make this anything like as dangerous as what earlier generations went through with the Nazis.

We've forgotten what real terror was like.

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Not to mention nearly a million men snuffing it in the Great War (and it was worse for some other countries).

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Get a grip. We've forgotten what real terror was like.


Got a grip. Like I said, time will tell. We've forgotten what real terror is like?

Please. Me and you both work in the centre of London, does that not put us in direct firing line of any terrorist outrage? After Madrid, how many people have in the back of their mind the thought that they could be next on the agenda? I'd like to know. These are dangerous time's for everyone. Unless of course you live in a log cabin in canada. Perish the thought.

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Please. Me and you both work in the centre of London, does that not put us in direct firing line of any terrorist outrage?



Sorry, I still don't see how this can possibly in any way shape or form compare to 3 or 4 V2s dropping on London every DAY for a year.

And yes it does, but I'm not worried about it.

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Sorry, I still don't see how this can possibly in any way shape or form compare to 3 or 4 V2s dropping on London every DAY for a year.

And yes it does, but I'm not worried about it.



I see you. V2's came later in the conflict. The carpet bombing in 41-42 was scary. My father told me.

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