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postwar Iraq and Iran

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By the BBC
Analysis: Iran's influence in Iraq

Moqtada Sadr's popularity partly derives from his links to Iran
An official Iranian delegation is in Baghdad at Washington's request to help resolve the impasse between the US occupation authorities and Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr. Middle East analyst Dilip Hiro says this underlies the influence that the predominantly Shia Iran has on the neighbouring Iraqi Shias.
The Iranian influence is exercised through different channels - a phenomenon helped by the fact that there is no single, centralised authority in Iran.

The different centres of power include the offices of the Supreme Leader and the President; the Majlis (parliament) and the judiciary; the Expediency Council; and offices of the Grand Ayatollahs in the holy city of Qom, and their social welfare networks throughout the Shia world.

It was the decision of Grand Ayatollah Kadhim Husseini al-Hairi - an Iraqi cleric who had gone to Qom for further theological studies 30 years ago, never to return - to appoint Moqtada Sadr as his deputy in Iraq in April 2003 that raised the young cleric's religious standing.

The more senior Ayatollah Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, a member of the US-appointed Iraqi Governing Council (IGC), is even more beholden to Iran. He is the leader of the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri), which was established in 1982 in Tehran by the Iranian government. He returned to Iraq after spending 22 years in Iran.

Shia militia

Sciri's 10,000-strong militia, called the Badr Brigades, has been trained and equipped by Iran.

Ayatollah Hakim underscored his continued closeness to Iran on 11 February, the 25th anniversary of Iran's Islamic revolution. Opening a book fair in Baghdad, sponsored by the Iranian embassy, he praised the Vilayat-e Faqih (ie Rule of Religious Jurisprudent) doctrine on which the Iranian constitution is founded.


Sooner or later, the Americans will be obliged to leave Iraq in shame and humiliation

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamanei
Then there is Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most senior Shia cleric, who is now being routinely described by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) as a moderate, even pro-Western, even though he refuses to meet either the CPA chief Paul Bremer or any of his envoys, limiting his contacts strictly to IGC members.

Ayatollah Sistani was born and brought up in the Iranian city of Mashhad, and despite his 53 years in Iraq, speaks Arabic with a Persian accent.

Most of his nine charitable ventures, primarily providing housing for pilgrims and theology students, are in Iran. So too are the four religious foundations sponsored by him.

Increasing influence

Outside official circles, there are signs of growing Iranian influence among Iraqi Shias.

The religious foundations run by pre-eminent clerics in Iran are funding partially the social welfare services being provided to Iraqi Shias by their mosques at a time when unemployment is running at 60%.

Iran's present co-operation with Washington is a tactical move. They want to help stabilise the situation in Iraq to facilitate elections there so the Shia majority can assume power through the ballot box, and hasten the departure of the Anglo-American occupiers

If there is any day-to-day Iranian involvement in the workings of the Sadr network in Iraq, it is in the sphere of social welfare.

There is no need for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard to train the militiamen of Sadr's Mehdi Army since all Iraq males have received three years of military training under the Baathist regime and the country is awash with small arms and ammunition.

Also, Iranian Shias are pouring into Iraq, which has six holy Shia sites, across the unguarded border at the rate of 10,000 a day.

They are thus bolstering the Iraqi economy to the tune of about $2bn a year, equivalent to two-fifths of Iraq's oil revenue in 2003.

Covert activities

Then there are covert activities purportedly sponsored by Iran.

Soon after Saddam's downfall, some 100 "security specialists" of the Lebanese Hezbollah arrived in Basra, at the behest of the Iranian intelligence agency, according to the Anglo-American sources.

Since then two groups of Iraqi Shias calling themselves Hezbollah have emerged, one of them allegedly sponsored by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard, with its headquarters in Amara and branches in other cities.

This is widely seen as a move to establish an Iranian intelligence infrastructure in Iraq. However, such a network can hardly compete with its Anglo-American rival.

Until a few days ago, conceding any role to the Islamic Republic of Iran has been anathema to the George Bush administration.

It is hell bent on seeing that the Iraqi politicians refrain from declaring Iraq an Islamic republic. Paul Bremer publicly announced that if those writing the transitional constitution made any such move, he would veto the document.

But present signs are that a large majority of Shias, led by Ayatollah Sistani, favour an Islamic entity of some sort for Iraq. About half of Iraq's Sunnis are also believed to support this.

Tactical co-operation

Iran's top officials are aware of this. They are aware too of what the US occupation authorities have done in Iraq.

Their present co-operation with Washington is a tactical move. They want to help stabilise the situation in Iraq to facilitate elections there so the Shia majority can assume power through the ballot box, and hasten the departure of the Anglo-American occupiers.

"America accuses other countries of intervening in Iraq and provoking the Iraqis, but it clear that the crimes committed by the occupying forces and their insulting behaviour toward Iraqi youth and women are the cause of the Iraqi reaction, whether Sunni or Shia," Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamanei said in a speech delivered recently on state radio.

"Sooner or later, the Americans will be obliged to leave Iraq in shame and humiliation."




If said analysis is true... Al Sadr would seem to be the least of our worries.

Islamization through the ballot box would seem a much more real possibility, and vastly more difficult to stop, to boot - than an armed uprising by the militant elements lead by Al-Sadr.

Is it possible to prevent a ballot-box result that we do not want to see in Iraq, without compromizing the lofty ideals of democracy that we seek to install?

hmmm

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Re: postwar Iraq and Iran

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Is it possible to prevent a ballot-box result that we do not want to see in Iraq, without compromizing the lofty ideals of democracy that we seek to install?


No.

Democracy means abiding by results we don't care for.

What we CAN do is ensure a governmental structure whereby authority continues to reside in the hands of the people regardless of who wins the election. The problem with Iran is not the decision of the people to elect religious conservatives; the problem with Iran is that the religious conservatives werte elected because the clerics, entrenched in permanent unelected positions of authority, made a mockery of the election by disqualifying most of the best reform candidates.

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Thats right. The new regime does not have to be perfect...just moderate.

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But if they elect religious conservatives, why would it be moderate? The population itself is pretty moderate, particularly with regards to religion (by regional standards, at least), but will they stay that way? As Jr says, that is their 'democratic right', to be what they want to be, but it might not be what we want and it might cause an increase in some of the problems that this invasion was ostensibly supposed to ameliorate.

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faith is all we have left.
until it fails, then we have violence.

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faith is all we have left.
until it fails, then we have violence.



some liberators that will make us.

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I dont see how our problems can increase with respect to our national security, which is why we went over there, if a 'not so perfect' government is elected. They certainly wont be not-making chem/bioweapons or persuing a nuclear program any longer. win win!!

Anyways, Im pretty sure whatever sort of government comes into being will be attacked for being either too US-puppety or too religious-zealoty...if everyone condemns it Ill consider it a success.

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