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-Anth3m-
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Satan doesn't exist.

Satan is on A&E's biography tomorrow.

I don't think Satan exists. If he does, he's never done a damn thing for me.

But if satan doesn't exist, then God can't exist either, right?






See what happens when you post when you're bored?

Blah.

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ok.

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Hawley Griffin
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Satan does excist, and his name is marijuana.

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Doesn't work like that.

Satan was a creation of the church in the 3rd century in order to demonise local fertility gods.

I need to check that though, can't remember the name of the council that decieded it.

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I had satan sheets on my bed, made me sweat like hell in summer.

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I don't believe satan exists or god for that matter but I take great pleasure in telling christians I worship satan. Its a hobby.

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quote:
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Satan was a creation of the church in the 3rd century in order to demonise local fertility gods.



Yeah, but before that he was a collection of demons randomly incarnating Beelzebub, Azrael, Bhaal, Leviathan, Pazuzu, you name it. They were called Satan, which means obstacle, i.e. an obstacle on the road to salvation.
They started possessing pigs, then moved on to young girls, which makes them rational beings in my book.

It was only the european gods who were actually transformed.

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i was under the impression that "Azrael" was the angel of death. and worked for god

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Satan = ma grandpa

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If satan doesn't exist, then the sacrifices will have to stop. Quit toying with my emotions, people.

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Let's hear it for our friends, the Judeo-Christian Demons!

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quote:
Originally posted by Goatboy
Doesn't work like that.

Satan was a creation of the church in the 3rd century in order to demonise local fertility gods.

I need to check that though, can't remember the name of the council that decieded it.


thus the cloven hoofs, horns and general goat-like appearance.

that devil, Pan.

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Re: Satan doesn't exist.

quote:
Originally posted by -Anth3m-
But if satan doesn't exist, then God can't exist either, right?

I don't think that follows. Why should the existence of God depend on the existence of Satan?

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Just ignore him. The devil made him say that.

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Azazel
Azazel is the chief of the Se'irim, or goat-demons, who haunted the desert and to whom most primitive Semitic (most likely non-Hebrew) tribes offered sacrifices. The Old Testament states that Jeroboam appointed priests for the Se'irim. But Josiah destroyed the places of their worship, as the practices accompanying this worship involved copulation of women with goats.


Good resource, Sphinx.

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quote:
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Let's hear it for our friends, the Judeo-Christian Demons!


quote:
The name 'Lucifer' means light-bearer, and is not used in the New Testament, where the "bearer of light" is Christ.


interesting......

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Lucifered Ham and Lucifer's Food Cake just doesn't work. See? God had a plan all along.

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Re: Re: Satan doesn't exist.

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I don't think that follows. Why should the existence of God depend on the existence of Satan?


Well, in the Danish translation of the Book of Job (1:6), Satan is God's son. So the idea that Satan doesn't exist probably comes from an embarrassed god. You make out the logic.

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I thought Azreal was Gargamel's (sp?) cat?

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Re: Re: Satan doesn't exist.

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I don't think that follows. Why should the existence of God depend on the existence of Satan?


Is it ok to believe just part of a religion?

If there is no Satan, there is a crack in the whole Christian story.

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The bible quotes itself as being gospel. To disprove any portion of it is to destroy the entire work. It doesnt matter though its full of holes.

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Lucifer was the leader of the angels who rebelled against the authority and was cast down from the clouded palace.

Every bit of decency and self awareness that we have has been fought for by his side, from that of the authority for centuries.

Lucifer and the relebellious angels are the ones on our side.

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Aminal, have you been reading Phillip Pullman? If not, you should.

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quote:
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The bible quotes itself as being gospel. To disprove any portion of it is to destroy the entire work. It doesnt matter though its full of holes.


That is not really true.

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quote:
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I don't believe satan exists or god for that matter but I take great pleasure in telling christians I worship satan. Its a hobby.


So, this kinda has something to do with this thread, but taRANTula's post reminded me of it-

We were driving home Wed. night and we saw a woman walking down the street that runs next to where we live. It was beginning to snow and the temp. was super low (and she looked like a decent person) so we asked if she wanted a ride to wherever she was going. We took her to her final destination (which was only a mile or so away) and right before she got out of the car she said

"Ya'll must be Christians, cause only good Christians like yerselves would pick someone up."

Then we laughed and my mom managed to say:

"Actually, we're pagan."

She then said "Oh." and hurriedly walked away.

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