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Bush denies Army troops defensive supplies in his latest budget

His commercials blast Kerry for not supporting the troops. George does the same thing, but worse.

War May Require More Money Soon

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 21, 2004; Page A01


Intense combat in Iraq is chewing up military hardware and consuming money at an unexpectedly rapid rate -- depleting military coffers, straining defense contractors and putting pressure on Bush administration officials to seek a major boost in war funding long before they had hoped.



Since Congress approved an $87 billion defense request last year, the administration has steadfastly maintained that military forces in Iraq will be sufficiently funded until early next year. President Bush's budget request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 included no money for Iraqi operations, and his budget director, Joshua B. Bolten, said no request would come until January at the earliest.

But military officials, defense contractors and members of Congress say that worsening U.S. fortunes in Iraq have dramatically changed the equation and more money will be needed soon. This comes as lawmakers, returning from their spring break, voice unease about the mounting violence and what they say is the lack of a clearly enunciated strategy for victory.

The military already has identified unmet funding needs, including initiatives aimed at providing equipment and weapons for troops in Iraq. The Army has publicly identified nearly $6 billion in funding requests that did not make Bush's $402 billion defense budget for 2005, including $132 million for bolt-on vehicle armor; $879 million for combat helmets, silk-weight underwear, boots and other clothing; $21.5 million for M249 squad automatic weapons; and $27 million for ammunition magazines, night sights and ammo packs. Also unfunded: $956 million for repairing desert-damaged equipment and $102 million to replace equipment lost in combat.

The Marine Corps' unfunded budget requests include $40 million for body armor, lightweight helmets and other equipment for "Marines engaged in the global war on terrorism," Marine Corps documents state. The Marines are also seeking 1,800 squad automatic weapons and 5,400 M4 carbine rifles.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, charged that the president is playing political games by postponing further funding requests until after the election, to try to avoid reopening debate on the war's cost and future.

Weldon described the administration's current defense budget request as "outrageous" and "immoral" and said that at least $10 billion is needed for Iraqi operations over the next five months.

"There needs to be a supplemental, whether it's a presidential election year or not," he said. "The support of our troops has to be the number one priority of this country. . . . Somebody's got to get serious about this."

Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Tex.), who returned from Iraq on March 23, said senior Army officers and contractors told him "serious problems" will surface this summer if Congress does not approve more spending by June. Without the additional funding, food concession contracts will have to be renegotiated and operations and training bases in the United States will have to be cannibalized to finance operations in Iraq.

"If one American soldier in Iraq loses his life because Congress and the administration were afraid of the political consequences of another supplemental appropriations bill, shame on everyone who should be a part of that process," Edwards said.

Some lawmakers said that if the administration stands firm against supplemental military spending this year, Congress may act on its own this summer to increase spending. But without Bush's lead, lawmakers say, it will be difficult.

Pressed on the funding issue yesterday at a Senate hearing, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz conceded that higher-than-expected troop levels are draining some military accounts, but he said other accounts remain in surplus and can be tapped.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was more equivocal: "We know that we have additional costs that we have to find funding sources for," he said. "We thought before that the services were identifying shortfalls that we could bridge. . . . I think we just have to assure ourselves that's still true."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said at a briefing that the Pentagon has a plan to boost troop levels beyond the 135,000 already in Iraq if commanders so request.

The strains are beginning to show. Last month, all four military services began spending money halfway through the fiscal year that they were not supposed to touch until July, a senior GOP Armed Services Committee aide said. The military has asked Congress eight times in the past few months for permission to shift $619 million to urgent combat needs from less-pressing programs, Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said.

Scrambling to fill its needs, the Pentagon last week diverted 120 armored Humvees purchased by the Israel Defense Forces to Iraq. Yesterday, the Army announced a $110 million contract for still more armored Humvees.

But even that will not be enough, said Robert F. Mecredy, president of the defense group at Armor Holdings. As the two-front uprising in Iraq began taking its toll last month, the company's O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt Armoring Co. subsidiary cranked up its Ohio defense plant, turning out 214 heavily armored Humvees in March, revving up for 220 this month, even building its own bulletproof-glass operation to augment faltering suppliers.

But by September, Mecredy said, O'Gara's funding from the Army will be running out. Mecredy arrived in Washington yesterday for a week of intensive congressional lobbying. To keep Humvee production at the Army's requested rate, he said, Armor Holdings will need $354 million more by Oct. 1, the beginning of fiscal 2005.

The top officers of Army Materiel Command began a major resupply review at Fort McCoy, Wis., yesterday to determine how to maintain operations in Iraq under increasingly strained circumstances, said Gary Motsek, the command's deputy director for support operations. The Army has worked through a serious supply problem with body armor, he said. And by next month, the command believes, a lingering short-supply problem with the tanklike treads of Bradley Fighting Vehicles will have been resolved.

But that is putting a further strain on the budget. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. is now churning out 50,000 steel "shoes" for Bradley treads a month, and will be up to 70,000 by June, Motsek said.

Other problems are being worked through. The backlog of rear rotor blades for Chinook transport helicopters has become serious, he said, with 24 Chinooks now grounded in Iraq. Pre-positioned military stockpiles in Kuwait are critically short.

"An alternative source of funding has to be identified," Motsek said. "We're going to have to be innovative, no doubt about it."

Bush administration officials have not wavered in their contention that money is actually plentiful. Dov S. Zakheim, who left his post as Pentagon comptroller last week, told reporters earlier this month that there may be a temporary spike in spending in the coming months but that costs would then steadily decline. By borrowing from military personnel, operations and maintenance accounts for the final half of 2005, the Pentagon may be able to bridge the gap, said Rep. John M. Spratt Jr. (S.C.), the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee. But budget chicanery of that magnitude would be unprecedented, he added.

"Whether they can do that if the requirement is $50 [billion] or $60 billion remains to be seen," Spratt said. "It's no way to run a budget."

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Seemed liked a suitable place to put this given 25 views and no responses, and sitting at the bottom of the page one index...

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Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief,' Say Former Military Colleagues
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
May 03, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is "unfit to be commander-in-chief." They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.

"What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension," John O'Neill, a Vietnam veteran who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com. The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

"We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief," O'Neill said.

O'Neill, currently a Houston, Texas, based attorney, is no stranger to Kerry. O'Neill served in the same naval unit as Kerry and commanded Kerry's swift boat after Kerry returned to the United States. Kerry's command of the PCF boat lasted four months and ended shortly after he received his third Purple Heart. According to naval regulations at the time, any sailor who received three Purple Hearts could request a transfer out of the combat zone.

Kerry and O'Neill engaged in a nationally televised debate in 1971 on The Dick Cavett Show over Kerry's allegations that many Vietnam soldiers had routinely engaged in atrocities such as raping and cutting off ears and heads of Vietnamese soldiers and citizens. Kerry was the then spokesman for the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

"We are going to be presenting a letter that deals with Kerry's unfitness to be commander and chief that has been signed by hundreds of swift boat sailors, including most of those who served with Kerry," O'Neill explained.

"The ranks of the people signing [the letter] range from admiral down to seaman, and they run across the entire spectrum of politics, specialties, and political feelings about the Vietnam War," he added.

Among those scheduled to attend the event at the National Press Club and declare Kerry unfit for the role of commander-in-chief are retired Naval Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, who was the commander of the Navy Coastal Surveillance Force, which included the swift boats on which Kerry served.

Also scheduled to be present at the event is Kerry's former commanding officer, Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard. Hibbard recently questioned whether Kerry deserved the first of his three Purple Hearts that he received in Vietnam. Hibbard doubted both the severity of the wound and whether it resulted from enemy fire.

"I've had thorns from a rose that were worse" than Kerry's wound for which he received a Purple Heart, Hibbard told the Boston Globe in April.

Organizers are confident that Tuesday's event and the letter with hundreds of signatures will educate people about Kerry.

"It is one of the largest outpourings of concern about him being commander-in-chief that anybody could have in a presidential campaign and it is by the people who know him best," O'Neill said.

'Unfit Commander-in-Chief'

Swift Boat Veterans For Truth maintains that Kerry's fellow Vietnam veterans are almost uniform in their disdain for his military service and anti-war protests.

"Not only a majority of the people who served with him feel that way, but a vast and overwhelming majority," O'Neill said. He added that more than "ninety percent of the people contacted by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth responded to the request to sign their name, with only 12 declining to sign.

"Comrades who actually served with him, almost all of them, are opposed to him, and believe he would be an unfit commander in chief and intend to bring the truth of his actual record to the attention of the American people," O'Neill said.

O'Neill hopes the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth can reveal to the American people what he sees as Kerry's flawed character.

"In the military, loyalty between commanders and the troops serving them is a two-way street. We have here a guy (Kerry) that with all of us in the field [in Vietnam] -- actually fighting the North Vietnamese -- came home and then falsely accused all of us of war crimes at a time when the people in uniform couldn't even respond," O'Neill said.

"And he did that knowing that was a lie," he added.

'Real John Kerry'

B. G. Burkett, author of the book Stolen Valor and a military researcher, believes that Tuesday's event will not be dismissed easily by Kerry's campaign as a "partisan" attack.

"There are probably just as many Democrats amongst sailors who sailed swift boats as there are Republicans. What Kerry fails to realize is this has nothing to do with politics -- this has to with Vietnam Veterans who served, who have a beef with John Kerry's service, both during and after the war," Burkett told CNSNews.com.

"The American people do not know John Kerry and hopefully the swift boat crews and other Vietnam veterans will make sure that the American public knows the real John Kerry," he added.

Jim Loftus of Kerry's press office referred questions about Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's event on Tuesday to spokesman David Wade. Wade did not return CNSNews.com's requests for comment.

Kerry has launched an ad campaign touting his service in Vietnam in an effort to counter the criticism ahead of Tuesday's press conference.

The $25 million ads show photographs of a young Kerry as a Navy lieutenant on the Swift boat he commanded in Vietnam's Mekong Delta as well as photos of him in fatigues holding a rifle.

Beginning Tuesday, the ads will run in 17 battleground states, as well as Colorado and Louisiana, which President Bush won in 2000.

Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), speaking on Fox News Monday, defended Kerry and blasted the president for using "$60 million worth of negative advertising" to try to tear down Kerry. Levin called Kerry's latest ad, "a very strong, a very positive ad."

"This is a positive statement about strength of service of Senator Kerry, and I think the public is going to welcome it," said Levin.

The Michigan Democrat called Kerry "very likeable," adding that "he'll come through as who he is, which is a very thoughtful, very sincere and a…person with a great deal of integrity and a great deal of sincerity."

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What I don't get (well, I get it, but find it disturbing) is how this hasn't made it to any major news outlet. When left-wing causes (like People for the American Way or a collection of academicians) spend money to take out full page ads in the NY Times condemning some person, policy or practice, it becomes the lead item on CNN, et al. I don't know anything about CNS News, or whether they have an agenda; just saw this linked from another site.

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CNN played tape of a man from the Swift boat veterans group speaking against Kerry today.

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I just find it odd that you can give medals to people for getting wounded

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Meaning the purple heart? Or some of the "bigger ones" for meritorius service, like the Silver Star?

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I think he was talking generally... I would guess.

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It doesn't seem to me that the military has any business deciding who is "fit" to be commander-in-chief. That is the job of the people. If the military has a direct hand in the selection of the president, we have a problem.
Of course, I suppose this letter declaring Kerry's "unfitness" should probably be viewed as an attempt by the signers to advise the voting populace of their opinion of Kerry's qualifications, rather than a statement that they would not obey his orders if he were to be elected.

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I just find it odd that you can give medals to people for getting wounded


That's actually a good point. Acts of valor, etc., sure, but just getting wounded? It does seem rather odd. Shouldn't people get a medal for not getting wounded instead? Sort of a "Dodged the Bullet" merit badge or something?

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It doesn't seem to me that the military has any business deciding who is "fit" to be commander-in-chief. That is the job of the people. If the military has a direct hand in the selection of the president, we have a problem.


If the candidate is going to spend twenty-five hours a day waving his military service in our faces as proof of the validity of his character, then questions about the quality of his service become fair game.

CNS leans pronouncedly to the right, but this certainly seems to me to be AT LEAST as valid a news story to me as those firefighters complaining about Bush's ads. I want to hear more about this; this strikes me as being quite a political thunderbolt if the claimants are as varied and as well-placed as CNS claims(EVERY commanding officer he had in Vietnam?) and if the Republicans play it right.

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If the candidate is going to spend twenty-five hours a day waving his military service in our faces as proof of the validity of his character, then questions about the quality of his service become fair game.

CNS leans pronouncedly to the right, but this certainly seems to me to be AT LEAST as valid a news story to me as those firefighters complaining about Bush's ads. I want to hear more about this; this strikes me as being quite a political thunderbolt if the claimants are as varied and as well-placed as CNS claims(EVERY commanding officer he had in Vietnam?) and if the Republicans play it right.


I wasn't meaning to imply that it wasn't newsworthy, or that questioning his service wasn't fair. I just felt that there was a sort of implied threat that, if he were elected, he would get less-than-perfect obedience from the military.
If the administration is allowed to imply that criticism of Bush and the War on Terror is antipatriotic, and there is plenty of popular sentiment that vocal criticism by soldiers of the war in Iraq should not be allowed, then it seems that signing something declaring someone who stands a good chance of being the future commander in the War on Terror as incompetent is also harmful to the cause.

I would suggest that both should be permissible, but they don't seem entirely incomparable to me.

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I wasn't meaning to imply that it wasn't newsworthy, or that questioning his service wasn't fair. I just felt that there was a sort of implied threat that, if he were elected, he would get less-than-perfect obedience from the military.


I cannot begin to guess where you find that threat in this news article. The parties signing the petition are overwhelmingly FORMER soldiers, fer cryin' out loud. Do you think that people should lose the right to engage in political activism because they served at some point in their lives? Do you see ANYTHING in there that leads you to believe that these individuals speak for the military as a whole, rather than for themselves?

Let us say, for a moment, that the Presidential candidate in question were George Armstrong Custer. Would you think American democracy would be well served, or poorly served, by the gentleman's former commanders and compatriots informing us about his record and exploits?

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I cannot begin to guess where you find that threat in this news article. The parties signing the petition are overwhelmingly FORMER soldiers, fer cryin' out loud. Do you think that people should lose the right to engage in political activism because they served at some point in their lives? Do you see ANYTHING in there that leads you to believe that these individuals speak for the military as a whole, rather than for themselves?

I missed the part about them being former soldiers...that does reduce the implied threat significantly. If they weren't, though, the threat seems clear to me. It's a sort of pre-emptive vote of no confidence. If, before serving, a pool of jurors all signed a letter indicating that they did not believe that the US criminal justice system was capable of fairly prosecuting criminals, would you be willing to have them judging your case?
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Let us say, for a moment, that the Presidential candidate in question were George Armstrong Custer. Would you think American democracy would be well served, or poorly served, by the gentleman's former commanders and compatriots informing us about his record and exploits?

Well served, of course. I thought I had made it clear that I would rather both a criticism such as this letter and criticism by serving miliraty personnel be unrestricted...perhaps I failed to get that across.
My position is that I would rather place no restriction of any kind on any person's ability to comment in any way he or she chose on the government and its policies. Even if the letter had been signed entirely by serving military officers, I would not find it to be illegal, as long as they provided service to the best of their abilities to Kerry, if he were elected.

My point was that, if the letter were being signed by active military personnel, it seems comparable to criticism of the government by active soldiers, which many here and in the nation seem to think is unacceptable. Permitting one and not the other seems like a double standard to me.

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Re: medals

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp

May 04, 2004, 4:26 p.m.
Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
The medical description of his first wound.

By Byron York

Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.

Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.

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I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.

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Custer was actually a pretty daring cavalry officer in the Civil War.

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True. He chose to take a gamble at Little Big Horn. How was he to know the Indians were casino people? If he had known, he would have taken the "house advantage" thing under consideration in his wager.

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Custer was also a raving maniac and glory-hound with no respect for his superior officers and the worst disciplinary record in the history of West Point to that time.

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Meaning the purple heart? Or some of the "bigger ones" for meritorius service, like the Silver Star?


Purple heart, specifically.

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Smug Git
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I don't see how Bush can do any more than limit the damage that Kerry's military service does; I don't really see how it can be a net positive for him in and of itself, because Kerry was there and Bush wasn't and the reminiscences of others about either of them at that time don't alter what is actually demonstrable fact, to whit, Bush didn't go and Kerry did, and (rightly or wrongly, dangerous to get into that) Kerry was decorated for his part in it all.

I also find it fucking odd that there is any medal-type recognition of a wound, however minor.

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