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Gov of MD: Multiculturalism is crap, bunk.

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Immigrant Remarks By Ehrlich Still Burn
Local Leaders Want an Apology
Washington Post

Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr.'s remarks last week dismissing multiculturalism as "crap" and "bunk" echoed across the state yesterday, as Democratic and Latino leaders demanded an apology and Ehrlich defended his comments as "utter common sense."

In Montgomery County, the County Council unanimously passed a resolution expressing "deep concern" over the governor's "ill-chosen remarks" and suggested "the phrase 'I'm sorry' as appropriate to the occasion."

In Baltimore, Mayor Martin O'Malley (D) addressed the issue -- in Spanish -- during his weekly radio address, saying, "Few of us would be here if our non-English-speaking relatives hadn't struggled for a few years -- or decades -- to learn English."

In Takoma Park, a half-dozen state and local Latino leaders and about 50 immigrant advocates gathered to decry Ehrlich's "far right" remarks and call for more resources to teach immigrants English.

And in Annapolis, reporters crowded around Ehrlich in the State House foyer, asking him to explain the comments he made on a call-in show on WBAL-AM radio Thursday.

"The words stand on their own," Ehrlich (R) replied. "It's a common culture, and the last message we want to send out is for people to separate themselves. We should celebrate the common American culture, the common American values and the common American language. I think that's common sense."

Ehrlich's original remarks about multiculturalism came in defense of a political ally, state Comptroller William Donald Schaefer (D). Schaefer had been criticized for his announcement a day earlier that he would no longer eat at McDonald's because of an uncomfortable encounter with a cashier struggling with English.

On the radio, Ehrlich said his views are "very similar to the comptroller's" and added, "I reject the idea of multiculturalism. Once you get into this multicultural crap, this bunk, you run into a problem. With respect to this culture, English is the language."

Ron Smith, who hosts the conservative talk show on which Ehrlich spoke, said he was surprised at the governor's candor and said the station has received e-mails from listeners "glad to hear a politician tell the truth."

Retired Chief Master Sgt. Ken Witkin, a 66-year-old Air Force retiree who lives in Fort Washington, is among Ehrlich's supporters.

"I spent 30 years in the Air Force fighting communism," he said yesterday. "I gave up 30 years of my life, and I didn't give it up so I could start learning Spanish." He added, "Every single veteran I've talked to feels the same way."

At the same time, some of the governor's critics have been pilloried for their positions.

Del. Ana Sol Gutierrez (D-Montgomery), who spoke out against Ehrlich's comments last week, said she has received five "nasty messages," including some telling her and her "people to go back home."

CASA de Maryland, a Latino advocacy group, received two similar voice-mail messages, including one that insisted Schaefer "had it right" and they should "ship us to Iraq so we can be bombed on the front lines," CASA's Kimberly Propeack said.

Yesterday, Ehrlich said that the issue has "been hijacked by a politically correct crowd" and that he did not want "to get into this politically correct game."

He declined to wade back into a discussion of Schaefer's complaints about Spanish-speaking immigrants, but he did not back off his contention that immigrants should learn English.

Latino advocates agreed with that goal yesterday, but they said that Maryland is not providing enough resources. In Montgomery alone, 105,000 residents have "limited English" skills, yet the classes for adults who want to learn can accommodate only about 24,000 people, council member Tom Perez (D-Silver Spring) said at the afternoon news conference in Takoma Park. Last year, according to a county report, 2,000 adults were on waiting lists for those classes.

"It's time to put your money where your mouth is," Perez said. "If indeed you want everyone to learn English, support the funding."

Politically, Ehrlich's remarks have provided fodder for his Democratic opponents, with two likely contenders in the governor's race, O'Malley and Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan, weighing in.

But one political scientist doubted that the controversy would do much harm to Ehrlich's standing with voters, especially his Republican base. "It's probably not something he should harp on all the time, but it doesn't seem to be a huge risk in the short term," said James G. Gimpel of the University of Maryland.

Still, the governor's remarks could hurt the GOP's efforts to bring more Latinos into the party, said Jorge Ribas, a Hispanic Republican from Montgomery. "The Republican Party is not going to grow with those kinds of comments," he said. "Those comments alienate people."

Last year, Ribas formed the Maryland Hispanic Republican Caucus. But after he complained publicly that the governor had no Latinos in his Cabinet, GOP leaders ousted his group from the party and formed their own Hispanic caucus.




Not sure it warrants that much controversy (though it's understandable it will be seized on by opponents) as I think it's a perfectly reasonable position to take (even if I don't share it exactly, I understand the concern). Gotta respect the candor though.

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It's not worth getting this angry about, either way.

The deliberate promotion of multiculturalism as a goal is undesirable. Conversely: the choice of individual citizens to celebrate non-American cultures is generally harmless. Some specific manifestations of multiculturalism (biligual education and revisionist history education) are an outrageous waste of money and present the danger of Balkanization; some reactions to multiculturalism (English as the official language) are equally polarizing and stupid.

It's a hot button issue that shouldn't be.

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It seems that the defense of multiculturalism against xenophobia and ignorant "we were here first (even though we weren't) attitudes mistakenly veers into promotion of multiculturalism that rejects commonality, effectively leading to a mutually destructive system of assaults on each other that sadly miss the middle ground where they can easily exist together.

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'Revisionist' history, in the sense of 'history written to put forward a political point', sucks, but some people would say that revisionist history was there anyhow. I don't know what 'multiculturalism' means in every usage; in the UK, it doesn't mean a reduction in the significance of English language, for example. The head of the Commission for Racial Equality, Trevor Phillips, railed against the idea of multiculturalism, recently, and there was much debate about what the term actually meant, after that outburst.

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It means people of different skin colours. E.g. in Denmark, where for the last fifty years we have tried to adapt to either Soviet or American lifestyles, nobody mentioned multiculturalism until we had a number of brown people walking the streets.

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This is the part I have trouble with:

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Latino advocates agreed with that goal yesterday, but they said that Maryland is not providing enough resources. In Montgomery alone, 105,000 residents have "limited English" skills, yet the classes for adults who want to learn can accommodate only about 24,000 people, council member Tom Perez (D-Silver Spring) said at the afternoon news conference in Takoma Park. Last year, according to a county report, 2,000 adults were on waiting lists for those classes.

"It's time to put your money where your mouth is," Perez said. "If indeed you want everyone to learn English, support the funding."




govt is responsible for making us fit in and succeed. My neighbour's paycheck should go to help me learn the language of the place I immigrate to. I'm frankly surprised that they're not bowled over with the fact that the state supplies facilities capable of teaching 24,000 ADULTS WHO CHOSE TO MOVE THERE the language skills to help them succeed. WTF? Since when is that the job of the statehouse?

I've been wanting to learn Spanish for a long time. It's weird, but it never occurred to me that it was my right to do so at my neighbour's expense and the state's time. I should protest down in Austin that, not only have I not been afforded that RIGHT, but that they haven't sought me out to inform me of it and see if I don't need a ride to the classes as well.

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There is at least an argument that it is in the economic interests of the whole community, for those people to be able to speak English, I guess, in excess of the funding required to teach it to them.

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Incidentally, I would say that the fact that there is funding for adults to learn English, but not other languages, illustrates the primacy of English in the US, rather than its erosion and this primacy pushed by government (in this case, state government).

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Why does being an "advocate" always entail the allocation of public resources to do for people what they otherwise could do perfectly well for themselves? How is that "empowerment"? It would seem more like ennervation at public expense and something that target community should find insulting and to be avoided at all cost.

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"Ethnic self-determination" was one of the worst concepts to ever emerge in politics. It atomizes society and creates the notion that aligning ourselves along ethnic lines brings unity, which it does not. It polarizes groups of people along ethnic lines, instead of creating community with people of different backgrounds. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't celebrate their ethnic heritage. Why shouldn't they? But why should they vote on that line, and why should they wish to hide behind some monolithic structure based on race or ethnicity rather than being a unique member of a pluralistic society?

Racism DOES exist. I don't deny that for a second. But does basing political power on that fact, or on ethnicity and race themselves, do anything to counter it? Or does it make it worse?

I rarely consider my sexual orientation when I vote. I consider what is best for the community as a whole, because when the society is more successful and healthy, we all do better individually.

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Why does being an "advocate" always entail the allocation of public resources to do for people what they otherwise could do perfectly well for themselves? How is that "empowerment"? It would seem more like ennervation at public expense and something that target community should find insulting and to be avoided at all cost.


Calling it 'empowerment' is a political ploy. Clearly, not all immigrants can arrange English lessons for themselves due to financial constraints (and, hey, they don't speak English), but 'empowerment' is used because it is a word that is laden with political overtones, I'd say. I hardly see that someone who doesn't speak English and may be having great difficulty getting a job on account of that, or arranging accomodation, etc, is necessarily going to be insulted by some English lessons. It could be funded through loans, I guess, but that sort of stuff often fails amidst bureacratic nonsense.

In the UK, there is talk of compulsory English lessons for immigrants, for the alleged greater of all (in fact, these lessons may already be in place, I don't know).

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I rarely consider my sexual orientation when I vote. I consider what is best for the community as a whole, because when the society is more successful and healthy, we all do better individually.


But such a policy could work. The Floridan Cubans have been able to almost dictate national policy on Castro through voting on the Castro issue as the first issue (an issue that is tied in with their ethnicity); obviously, this is helped by Florida being pretty much the biggest swing state.

A system of democracy that expects or relies on voters voting for the good of the community as a whole is doomed to fail, I'd say; mind you, I don't think that the US is anywhere near that (in fact, I'd say that it as far from that as nearly any democracy is).

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In other news, Chopsticks' nephews (age 13 and 15) immigrated from China yesterday. Guess who's going to teach them English?

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Make sure that's all you teach them.

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start by teaching them Leviticus and Romans. That should set them on the right path. And point to the forks in the silverware drawer.

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Ha! Hell no, the answer is "the taxpayers of New York City."

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Thank God for the cigarette taxes.

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I chose a high school for them. Of the 6000 students, more than half are from China. Math, Science, and Social Studies are taught in Chinese (or Korean), everything else in English.

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Which is somewhat bizarre, as English is pretty much the accepted language of, you guessed it, maths and science. Social Studies can be taught in any language as far as I am concerned, the fewer people able to read that excrement, the better.

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What is odd about it, really, is that maths and science are two subjects that are not that hard to teach in English to people who aren't native English speakers. Do they use roman and greek letters for algebra?

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Yes.

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Thank God for the cigarette taxes.

Ironically, they each brought the maximum allowed two cartons of duty-free cigarettes. They're pretty good, actually.

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