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Peers have backed a compromise proposal allowing parents to smack their children with moderation.
The amendment to the Children Bill outlaws smacking in England and Wales if it causes harm such as bruises, reddening of the skin or mental harm.

However, the Lords rejected calls for a complete ban on smacking of children, which had been opposed by the government.

Do you think parents should have the right to smack their children? Do you think this bill will reduce abuse? Is this an infringement on civil liberties?

One of the comments made me giggle. Some people have no handle on reality.

"I'm all for a total ban. If only this legislation had been on the statute book when I was a kid 30-35 years ago, it may have made my mother think twice about kicking the living daylights out of me for 10 years.
Chris, London"

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Where is the "smacking kids should be mandatory" option, you prick?

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Originally posted by Dacarlo
? Is this an infringement on civil liberties?

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Personally I never hit my children and don't see the point. There are lots of better ways to teach your children what they need to know.

I don't try and tell others how to raise theirs although a lot of them could use the advice.

What I DON'T like bigtime is watching some parent slap the shit out of their kid in public trying to get them to stop crying. And I've seen that more times than I can remember. Morons.

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Originally posted by Rokkr
What I DON'T like bigtime is watching some parent slap the shit out of their kid in public trying to get them to stop crying. And I've seen that more times than I can remember. Morons.

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Like I was explaining to my buddy at work. There's a world of difference between a smack on the ass or a clip around the ear and beating a child senseless. I agree with ya on that point Rokkr 100%. I'm also impressed at how you've managed to bring up some kids who havent at some point needed a smack. Well done

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Maybe it's luck, maybe it's method. I don't really know, but I have two great kids 16 and 18 now. They do well in school, they read, they socialize and they know bullshit when they hear it.
I'm pretty proud of them.

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I think children should all be smacked to death.

Especially little black ones.

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what kids learn from being smacked is that smacking is a reasonable way to deal with conflict, rather than rational discourse. for once, I agree with rokkr. when I have kids, they won't get smacked, and I expect they will turn into decent and communicative, if completely screwy and mental, individuals.

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PS, I don't think you can deal with the problem of poor parenting by legislation. some parents need parent effectiveness and communication skills training, because their parents never modelled/didn't have decent communication skills or all they learned growing up was screaming, shouting, smacking, and/or abuse and neglect.

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I believe the new limit imposed by the legislation is that reasonable = no visable marks on the skin of the beaten child. Just BTW and FYI

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Well, that kind of rules out my trusty logging chain, doesn't it?

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Only if they find the body.

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Ah, non habeas corpus.

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see thats the thing for thos that preach "smacking is never nessicary" you didnt have to watch my little brother for more than 15 mins

some kids do need the shit beat out of them, but genraly its not nessicary

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Originally posted by RiZZ


some kids do need the shit beat out of them, but genraly its not nessicary

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I've never raised my hands on my kids-ever. But I voted the majority (and surprised)For when a kid disrespects a parent,parent gotta put them in his place. But kids got smarts anymore. If the parent steers themselves right,the kids usually follow,but when they rebell,ya better look at every angle,not just"my kid's are out of control " and leave it at that.
There's always exeptions,but whoever invented Ridalin's getting richer by the day. Kids are not a conveinience ever and ya can't just put them aside.

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Shut the fuck up. You walk around the house with your balisongs purring, and your children purr quietly in the corner. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, just pointing it out.

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Aw c.mon T_T. Those balisons are for enjoyment only. My kids are getting older also and check in with me when their busy growing up. When they were babies Till about 11 or so,I kept my balison collection well hidden and I showed it to my curious son early in life.No different than your first rifle or some shit. I also were totally involved with my kids and involved today when they need me or need my advice. I'm just saying people have kids sometimes for the wrong reasons,but dosen't mean all is lost. That's all.

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There is absolutely no excuse for smacking, hitting, or physically disciplining a child in any way. Ever.
Nothing anyone said would ever make me believe otherwise.

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Hitting kids is fine because they can't hit back. Not effectively at any rate.

I'd hit more people if they couldn't fight back, but unfortunately most adults could put up something of a fight (though not the japanese, on the whole).

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I've spanked my daughter once or twice. I always feel like shit afterward, and it doesn't usually do any good. But that doesn't mean I have any right to tell someone else they can't spank their child. I see nothing wrong with a spank on the butt, or even a smack on the back of the hand when they reach for something you've already told them they can't have. Smacking on the face or the head is another story. That should never happen, as there is no reason/need for it.

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Hitting kids is fine because they can't hit back. Not effectively at any rate.

I'd hit more people if they couldn't fight back, but unfortunately most adults could put up something of a fight (though not the japanese, on the whole).

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The occassional swat on the rump to get a kid's full attention and drive home your point is about as far as physical discipline needs to go, in my opinion.

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Originally posted by ignatz mouse
what kids learn from being smacked is that smacking is a reasonable way to deal with conflict, rather than rational discourse.

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Well put flap.

It is hard enough to put a point across to an adult who has not experienced something you wish to teach them, now apply that to a child who has next to no experiences and has no way of rationalising what it has done.
The solution is to immediately stop a child who is either endangering themselves or others, the realisation and education will come later on in life.
The only way people learn is through consequences, it is a parents job to limit those consequences until the child is able to deal with them. If that means a tanned hide, so be it!

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