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Why Nebraska should be removed from the map.

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Shall the Nebraska Constitution be amended to provide that only marriage between a man and
a woman shall be valid or recognized in Nebraska, and to provide further that the uniting of two
persons of the same sex in a civil union, domestic partnership, or other similar same-sex
relationship shall not be valid or recognized in Nebraska?

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*nods*

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happened here in california too...
only here it was a proposition by some jackass who is pissed his son is gay.

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I might move to Nebraska.

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Originally posted by SocialParasite:

It's times like these that I am reminded that in the 200+ years of the United States' existance we have made little forward progress in how we treat our citizens.

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Damnit, why do you blame it on the bible? The Old testament says that people who sleep with the same sex are an aberration towards god, and should be destroyed. The new Testament changed that to love the sinner, hate the sin. This prohibition on same sex marriages has little to do with the bible, it has to do with close minded people who use parts of the bible to reinforce their own small minded beliefs.

These same people are found all over the world, not just christians, in all denominations. I hesitate to even call most of these people who claim they are christian thus. They don't follow what was taught by Jesus, which is Love and Forgiveness. They continue on their ways of prejudice and hate and use whatever part of the bible supports their claims.

Besides, The Basis of the United States is Democracy, why are you mad about Democracy working, and producing a law a majority of the people in the state support? They had to have, otherwise it would not have passed. The only way for a state to be completely open minded and tolerant is not a democracy, because there will always be hateful people. So either take Democracy with it's small evils, or live somewhere else.

And why is the amendment unconstitutional?

I am as conservative as it gets, and you don't see me fearing everything that is different. I do my best to keep myself open minded. You need to drop the broad generalizations, and make your point using the examples you started with, instead of taking one state and making it into all the conservatives.

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And why is the amendment unconstitutional?

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Originally posted by ItsJustLogan:

because of people like Emerald

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Originally posted by SocialParasite:
The amendment is unconstitutional because it is discriminating based on sexual orientation. It is denying a group of people a basic civil right just because they are gay. That is why it is unconstitutional. If any amendment like that were to be passed for our nation's constitution the Supreme Court would have that fucker taken down in no time. And why would they? Because it is unconstitutional to pass a discriminatory amendment, and it is unconstitutional to pass an amendment that denies anyone their civil liberties.

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And Emerald, all you do is perpetuate the myth of the ignorant, hypocritical christian.

ie you don't help...lol. On the other hand, if what you would rather do is inflame, then you do a good job. keep up the good work!

lol

Melesse

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I think it should be legal period.
Thats my story and Im stickin to it!!



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I'm not getting on SP's ass about whether it should be legal, I'm pissed about what he said about conservatives and the bible, and I'm sick of Ignorant "Christians" phucking things up for the rest of us.

Melesse

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Originally posted by melesse:
And Emerald, all you do is perpetuate the myth of the ignorant, hypocritical christian.

ie you don't help...lol. On the other hand, if what you would rather do is inflame, then you do a good job. keep up the good work!

lol

Melesse

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Dear Melesse: actually, I appologize....I am just 'in a mood' I guess. So, I've not 'helped' here at all. I have felt like a true minority in this forum, as conservative as I really am. Trying to fit in doesn't work, so I said to myself "to heck with it" I'm gonna just be me.....


Ok....seriously, I have a hard time debating a point with people that have no Bible basis of understanding or belief. I debate seriously all the time on so-called 'Christian' forums. That's real easy, cuz they all believe the Bible is the Truth. I can show them how their 'pagan' traditions and ideas have been sunk into their small minds by radical, power-hungry, jerks.
IF someone believes in the Bible as the truth, then it is shamefully sad of them to even entertain the idea that same-sex partnerships/relationships are 'OK'. God made us of two different sexes for good reason. He made woman for man....not man for man or woman for woman.

So, that's about it for now. I guess I've just come to the realization that if I express ANY christian, conservative view on this forum, I will be attacked from all sides, so I'm gonna try to not take any of it personally and just have fun with it. If someone gets serious about asking me my opinion, then I shall provide that.

IN LOVE & TRUTH,
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Originally posted by Emerald:
Dear Melesse: actually, I appologize....I am just 'in a mood' I guess. So, I've not 'helped' here at all. I have felt like a true minority in this forum, as conservative as I really am. Trying to fit in doesn't work, so I said to myself "to heck with it" I'm gonna just be me.....


Ok....seriously, I have a hard time debating a point with people that have no Bible basis of understanding or belief. I debate seriously all the time on so-called 'Christian' forums. That's real easy, cuz they all believe the Bible is the Truth. I can show them how their 'pagan' traditions and ideas have been sunk into their small minds by radical, power-hungry, jerks.
IF someone believes in the Bible as the truth, then it is shamefully sad of them to even entertain the idea that same-sex partnerships/relationships are 'OK'. God made us of two different sexes for good reason. He made woman for man....not man for man or woman for woman.

So, that's about it for now. I guess I've just come to the realization that if I express ANY christian, conservative view on this forum, I will be attacked from all sides, so I'm gonna try to not take any of it personally and just have fun with it. If someone gets serious about asking me my opinion, then I shall provide that.

IN LOVE & TRUTH,
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Originally posted by melesse:
I'm sorry darling, I didn't realize you were funning about. Your statement about moving to Nebraska b/c of the amendment forbidding Same Sex Marriages led me to believe you were another of the ignorant class. I'm sorry, I was wrong. And I would never attack you for expressing your views, I only tend to get riled at people who pass judgement, or make ignorant statements, and I don't even think attack is the right word. I do my best to show they're wrong, without resorting to strong words and name calling. For example, Our Dear Social parasite here made a judgement on all us Conservatives, and one that's in error, and then erroneously blamed a book that the blame should not fall upon. I was merely attempting to force him to look at himself with the same eye he apparently turns on others.

Christian forums? Where do you normally debate? I would be somewhat interested in that...I've noticed an awful lot of pagan beliefs infiltrating the Christian movement of late. And the process of Ecumenism.

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Hey, no worries!
I loved to debate in an old CEM forum that is now offline (prolly cuz I'm such a radical to them! LOL) but, they have another one that's pretty good I've not posted in much yet... It's at: http://www.village2000.com/cem/forum

and I like to just drop in to different chats with the 'Christian' label now and then to rile them a lil with TRUTH.
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It'll never make it past the Supreme Court. Oh wait, that'll be Bush's Supreme Court in no time. Nevermind. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me, but I envision a long line of all of sorts of Supreme Court precedents being marched back through and overturned, as soon as he gets his Justices in place. Roe v. Wade, the Clean Air Act, the Emancipation Proclamation. Woot.

My only hope is that the Justices due to retire decide to stick it out for another 4. I can't imagine W getting another term.

Oh, as far as the "closeminded Xian" thing goes, I think the pivotal point is that the Bible and the religion(s) it represents have a long history of proselytizing. There are plenty of closeminded liberals/atheists/what-have-you out there. The difference is that the conservative perspective frequently concerns itself with telling others how to live their lives, while the liberal perspective generally boils down to telling people to let other people live their own lives. If the liberals were running around trying to convince you to be gay, then you would have a point.

You are perfectly welcome to feel that homosexuality is an abhorration of nature. You know what, I think Yanni is an abhorration of nature. That doesn't mean that I feel justified in telling other people that they can't listen to him. That's the difference.

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It'll never make it past the Supreme Court. Oh wait, that'll be Bush's Supreme Court in no time. Nevermind. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me, but I envision a long line of all of sorts of Supreme Court precedents being marched back through and overturned, as soon as he gets his Justices in place. Roe v. Wade, the Clean Air Act, the Emancipation Proclamation. Woot.

My only hope is that the Justices due to retire decide to stick it out for another 4. I can't imagine W getting another term.

Oh, as far as the "closeminded Xian" thing goes, I think the pivotal point is that the Bible and the religion(s) it represents have a long history of proselytizing. There are plenty of closeminded liberals/atheists/what-have-you out there. The difference is that the conservative perspective frequently concerns itself with telling others how to live their lives, while the liberal perspective generally boils down to telling people to let other people live their own lives. If the liberals were running around trying to convince you to be gay, then you would have a point.

You are perfectly welcome to feel that homosexuality is an abhorration of nature. You know what, I think Yanni is an abhorration of nature. That doesn't mean that I feel justified in telling other people that they can't listen to him. That's the difference.

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Well, I do believe that homosexuality is an abhorration of nature, because I believe the Bible is true.....But that doesn't mean I go around telling others what to 'feel' or believe.

It's just sad to me that there is so much 'categorizing' and generalization going on here and everywhere else for that matter.

To the Forum in General:
All I ask is, please don't label me as a "judgemental so-called 'Christian' radical" without getting to know me well first. I'm sure you would recant it.



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Originally posted by Cage:
It'll never make it past the Supreme Court. Oh wait, that'll be Bush's Supreme Court in no time. Nevermind. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me, but I envision a long line of all of sorts of Supreme Court precedents being marched back through and overturned, as soon as he gets his Justices in place. Roe v. Wade, the Clean Air Act, the Emancipation Proclamation. Woot.

My only hope is that the Justices due to retire decide to stick it out for another 4. I can't imagine W getting another term.

Oh, as far as the "closeminded Xian" thing goes, I think the pivotal point is that the Bible and the religion(s) it represents have a long history of proselytizing. There are plenty of closeminded liberals/atheists/what-have-you out there. The difference is that the conservative perspective frequently concerns itself with telling others how to live their lives, while the liberal perspective generally boils down to telling people to let other people live their own lives. If the liberals were running around trying to convince you to be gay, then you would have a point.

You are perfectly welcome to feel that homosexuality is an abhorration of nature. You know what, I think Yanni is an abhorration of nature. That doesn't mean that I feel justified in telling other people that they can't listen to him. That's the difference.

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I hope it never makes it past the supreme court, b/c it certainly is unconstitutional, as SP said. Again, you make generalizations though, if all the conservatives proselytized then your point would be valid. I'm conservative, and the only time I talk about what I believe is when I am asked, or if someone makes an untrue statement about me. When you say all Conservatives do something that I don't do, then you make an untrue statement about me and I move to correct you. Yes, some Conservatives, possibly even many do that. And some liberals try and get their message out as well. Gay Pride parades, while not telling anyone to be gay, are sending the message that it's ok to try, ok to be that way. And that's almost the same thing.

And btw, I think Yanni is an Aberration of nature as well.

Melesse

Edit: PS, Did you mean Aberration, as in Unnatural as that's what I meant, or Abhorration which I'm not sure is a word, but if it was it sounds like something that means hateful. The only things I hate are Spiders. Grrr, something unnatural about little things with eight legs and fangs...
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Gay Pride parades, while not telling anyone to be gay, are sending the message that it's ok to try, ok to be that way. And that's almost the same thing.

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This is exactly my point. You use the term "ok" as though it's some sort of universal truth. "Ok" is a personal decision. You say it's not "ok" for you. That's fine. You say it's not "ok" at all. You have no right to say that. It is "ok" for me, if I decide it is. It's something that affects ME and not YOU. Thus, I am the only one who has the right to decide if it's "ok" for ME. Gay Parades say it's "ok" for a person to be gay if they want to be. That in no way affects YOU.

Can you see my point? It has nothing to do with generalizations. It has to do with who is being affected. If I want to be able to walk around with 30 pounds of dynamite up my ass, then that affects ME. However, it could also affect YOU. In that case, you should have some input with regards to my actions. However, if I want to walk around with 30 pounds of a big, fat, hairy, effeminate guy named Raoul up my ass, then that does not affect YOU. Thus, you should have no control over my actions.

That's the point of the generalization I was making about conservative ideology vs. that of liberalism. Based on your statement, that generelization does apply to you. Incidentally, generalizations are just that: general. One counterexample does not invalidate a generalization.

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Hey, Cage? Ever been in a Women's Studies department before?

Talk about heavy-handed "liberals" there. I don't even like to call most of them l