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What went wrong with religion?
With all the crap going on all over the world I cannot for the life of me figure out how all this went wrong. One would think that the idea behind most religions is to enforce the goodness in all mankind, to devote ones self to the pursuit of a deity that would at some point either during or after life provide a measure of comfort to the believer. Some foster the idea that a good life is rewarded post mortem by everlasting heaven, enforcing the idea that doing good here on earth means payoff time when we drop dead.
I must admit that my spirituality follows no clear defined bounds; I do not follow any organized religion. My main focus is not who or what the “Ultimate Being” is, it’s more of an understanding that it isn’t me. It’s only my opinion, but it would seem the whole thing is just a crutch to get us past the idea that we are finite beings, and yes Goldilocks, we all die. We just need diversions to keep us from realizing anytime, anywhere, it’s over.
Yet for centuries we have killed each other over these ideals. My question is: Is the very structure and idea of organized religion inherently flawed, and ripe for militancy. Or is the evil of humankind twisting and bastardizing something beautiful into a vehicle for violence?
What thinks the rest of you?
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Re: What went wrong with religion?
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What went wrong with religion?
"my god is better then your god, convert or die"
thats pretty much how it all started, and the whole human greed for power and what not
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Re: What went wrong with religion?
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Originally posted by REStrained
With all the crap going on all over the world I cannot for the life of me figure out how all this went wrong. One would think that the idea behind most religions is to enforce the goodness in all mankind, to devote ones self to the pursuit of a deity that would at some point either during or after life provide a measure of comfort to the believer. Some foster the idea that a good life is rewarded post mortem by everlasting heaven, enforcing the idea that doing good here on earth means payoff time when we drop dead.
I must admit that my spirituality follows no clear defined bounds; I do not follow any organized religion. My main focus is not who or what the “Ultimate Being” is, it’s more of an understanding that it isn’t me. It’s only my opinion, but it would seem the whole thing is just a crutch to get us past the idea that we are finite beings, and yes Goldilocks, we all die. We just need diversions to keep us from realizing anytime, anywhere, it’s over.
Yet for centuries we have killed each other over these ideals. My question is: Is the very structure and idea of organized religion inherently flawed, and ripe for militancy. Or is the evil of humankind twisting and bastardizing something beautiful into a vehicle for violence?
What thinks the rest of you?
It is seriously flawed. People are realizing that they should not believe everything from stories from hundreds or thousands of years ago. Were things so much better back then? Why not realize that time here is finite and make the most of it, using such an idea as inspiration?
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Re: What went wrong with religion?
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Is the very structure and idea of organized religion inherently flawed, and ripe for militancy.
Yes.
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Or is the evil of humankind twisting and bastardizing something beautiful into a vehicle for violence?
Yes.
I agree with Vegas, religion should be used for inspiration - not comfort.
If God is anything like in the Bible, He is useless as a moral guide, but does have some neat ideas.
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Re: Re: What went wrong with religion?
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I agree with Vegas, religion should be used for inspiration - not comfort.
good luck trying to get that to work
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but does have some neat ideas.
"convert or die" ?
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good luck trying to get that to work
But it does work. There seems to be no reason not to indulge in the pleasures of faith.
"convert or die" is just the political part of religion.
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But it does work. There seems to be no reason not to indulge in the pleasures of faith.
comfort has the neat ability to break all reason
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"convert or die" is just the political part of religion.
perhaps i should have underlined the "die" part
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If we don't watch out, religion will be the death of all of us!
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If we don't watch out, life will be the death of all of us!
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To achieve death, one must suffer through life!
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i have not suffered, and i probably wont suffer for a long period of time. does that mean i will live forever?
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You make others suffer!
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yes, to make sure that they will die one day.
you always avoid answering direct questions.
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Every die we day.
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comfort has the neat ability to break all reason
Comfort is not the reason for me, possibility is.
I find atheists as stuck up as any christian.
"When did I realize I was God? Well one day I was praying, and I suddenly realized I was only talking to myself."
My religion allows for paradox and contradiction.
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In the end, there will be one religion.... MUSLIM!
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I know I'm not God.
God wouldn't spill soda on his new jeans.
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i know im god.
thats why you spilled soda on your pants
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God is soda, jeans and spilling.
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god is a 3 letter word
nothing more
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This proves you're NOT god.
Because I DIDN'T spill soda on my pants.
Only God would know that!
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Hawley Griffin
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This proves you're NOT god.
Because I DIDN'T spill soda on my pants.
Only God would know that!
proves nothing, as i was not speaking to you
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Well, AGAIN, this proves you're not God, because God always speaks to me!
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