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skalie
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Just curious

...........but if he like murdered some Texan in Texas, wouldn't he be facing the death sentence?

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US soldier jailed for murdering Iraqi teen
11/12/2004 - 13:33:52

A US soldier has been sentenced to three years in prison for killing a severely wounded Iraqi teenager, the US military said today.

Staff Sgt Johnny M Horne Jr, aged 30, pleaded guilty to one count of unpremeditated murder and one count of soliciting another soldier to commit unpremeditated murder.

His sentencing included a reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of wages and a dishonourable discharge.

The charges relate to the August 18 killing of a 16-year-old Iraqi male found in a burning truck with severe abdominal wounds sustained during clashes in Baghdad’s Sadr City, an impoverished neighbourhood that was the scene of fierce fighting between US forces and Shiite rebels loyal to anti-US cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

A criminal investigator had said during an earlier hearing that the soldiers decided to kill him to “put him out of his misery”.

A jury-like panel of seven service members sentenced Horne – who is attached to Company C, 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment, based in Fort Riley, Kansas - after about four hours of deliberations, the military said.

Horne is among six Fort Riley soldiers charged with killings in recent months - two in Kansas and four in Iraq. Staff Sgt Cardenas J Alban, 29, of Inglewood, California, is charged along with Horne in the teenager’s killing and is awaiting a court-martial hearing.

Two other soldiers from the same unit this week faced Article 32 hearings - the military equivalent of a grand jury hearing – over a Sadr City killing in August.

An Article 32 hearing was held on Thursday for Sgt Michael P Williams, aged 25, of Memphis, Tennessee, on charges of premeditated murder, obstruction of justice and making a false official statement.

Also charged is Spc Brent May, aged 22, of Salem, Ohio, who had a two-day hearing and is awaiting a ruling on whether he will be court-martialled, receive a lesser penalty or be acquitted.

Human rights groups have condemned the illegal killings of Iraqis – either civilians or wounded fighters – by the US military, saying such acts amount to violations of international humanitarian rights and should be dealt with as war crimes.

Critics also say poor understanding by young US troops of the rules of military engagement leads to the killing of civilians.

“It doesn’t help you win the hearts and minds of the public if you put a bullet in their hearts and another in the minds,” said Mark Garlasco, senior military analyst for Human Rights Watch.

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I'm surprised he wasn't just charged with cruelty to animals.

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I think that they accepted the 'mercy killing' argument, plus there was a plea bargain. But whether or not people think it is justice is a different matter.

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Great line............. "Critics also say poor understanding by young US troops of the rules of military engagement leads to the killing of civilians."

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quote:
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I'm surprised he wasn't just charged with cruelty to animals.

That felt weird, coming from you.

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Military justice different than Civil justice.
Fair game out there and it's cool as long as it ain't fucking televised.

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That felt weird, coming from you.


Sarcasm is tough to convey in text I guess.
So I'll expound a bit.
In my opinion and experience, americans are more prone to demonize those who they don't like or disagree with. There are exceptions of course, but look at how severe political partisanship is in this country.
Conservatives demonized Kerry and liberals Bush.
Likewise many of us have demonized muslims and arabs.
It's pretty sad when those you disagree with or fail to understand become evil in one's eyes.
This doesn't mean there aren't evil arabs or muslims, I don't doubt there are. But no more of a percentage of them than we have in this country I'd wager.

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We think there evil cause their dictator abused his people and women are beaten by men and they blew up our towers and their malicia group is cutting off heads.
And they think were evil cause we nearly wiped out our Indians to aquire our country and now were killing them off and causing kaos at their own homes.
Who's right and who's wrong when each side believes their own set of values are the only way?
What's next? Converting them to Christianity?

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speaking of mercy killings...

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Have mercy on me!

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Americans are right, thats why we dont condone the barbarian races. Fuck a sand nigger.

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Right, only Americans demonize or dehumanize their foes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rokkr
Sarcasm is tough to convey in text I guess.

Well usually, people who write stuff like that tend to mean it.
Obviously, killing arabs is not as bad as killing white humans, so there is a grain of truth in it I guess.

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