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Keeping an eye on the CIA

Alot of interesting things going on within the CIA and ex-CIA community as of late, thought it might be a good time to have a thread to discuss them.

Here's an interesting article from TIME magazine.
http://www.politrix.org/modules.php...rticle&sid=1545

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Within days of Goss's arrival, a number of top CIA officials began to contemplate retirement, including acting Director John McLaughlin and Executive Director A.B. Krongard. Then, last week, came the abrupt departures of D.O. chief Stephen Kappes and his deputy, Michael Sulick, two pragmatic and tough-minded officers who were regarded almost universally as mission oriented, apolitical and aggressive — exactly the traits Goss was supposedly looking for. Kappes, who had served as station chief in Moscow and the Middle East, was best known at Langley for helping persuade Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to forswear terrorism and give up his rudimentary WMD program. Kappes, who made multiple trips to Tripoli to seal the deal, was one of the few CIA officers who won high marks from both Republican and Democratic members of the 9/11 commission. Sulick is another former Moscow station chief who, in the words of an ex-spy, "has a New Yorker's quick wit and cynical outlook on life. He'd more likely skewer both sides" than favor one political party over another, the officer says.

What's most unsettling about the resignations is that they seem to have grown out of petty disagreements that could easily have been avoided. The first began with a tempest over a longtime Goss aide, Michael Kostiw, whom Goss intended to name as the agency's executive director, but who lost the job after it was revealed he had left the CIA 20 years earlier when he was arrested for allegedly shoplifting a pound of bacon. (The charges were dropped after he agreed to resign.) Although CIA insiders argue that reporters could have been tipped off by a CIA alumnus who remembered Kostiw's undistinguished departure, Goss aides feared that officials in the agency leaked the bacon caper to the press to embarrass Goss upon his arrival at Langley, former officials say.

Then, on Nov. 5, Kappes and his deputy, Sulick, complained in a meeting with Goss and Patrick Murray, Goss's chief of staff, about Murray's pointed critique of a Sulick memo laying out a proposed D.O. outreach program for members of Congress. Twice in that session, Sulick tossed pieces of paper at Murray. After Goss left for another meeting, Sulick, who is in his 50s and is a Vietnam vet, told Murray, who is 40, that he wasn't going to be treated like some "f___ing Democratic Hill puke," says a CIA source. Disturbed by the episode, Murray asked Kappes a few days later to reassign Sulick. Kappes refused, and the two took their dispute to Goss, who told both men to work things out. The matter festered over a weekend, and when Kappes came to work on Monday, he told Goss he and Sulick would be resigning. Goss tried to persuade Kappes to stay on, says a CIA source, but both men quit anyway. Sulick could not be reached for response. Kappes declined to comment.

The impact of those departures was just crashing over Washington's sizable spook community when Goss sent an e-mail to the staff listing what he called "the rules of the road." Wrote Goss: "We support the Administration and its policies in our work. As Agency employees we do not identify with, support or champion opposition to the Administration or its policies. We provide the intelligence as we see it — and let the facts alone speak to the policymaker." The email was probably more clumsy than insidious, but when coupled with the departures of two senior officials, many CIA insiders saw it as a loyalty test, a warning by Goss to tailor the intelligence to fit the policies or risk decapitation. "A number of people at the agency view the changes Goss is putting in place as an attempt to bring them to heel rather than an effort to make reforms everyone agrees are necessary," says Whitley Bruner, a former D.O. officer who worked in the Middle East.



The Bush administration takes credit for disarming Libya as a threat, but the hatchet man's chief of staff pisses on the agent most involved with Libyan negociations and causes him to retire. Having an appointed know-thing say things like their department is becoming "nothing more than a stilted bureaucracy incapable of even the slightest bit of success. The nimble, flexible, core mission-oriented enterprise that D.O. once was is becoming just a fleeting memory" doesn't help either.

One of the thing that makes Goss upset is leaks. Like the one that forced Michael Kostiw to retire (a pound of bacon is expensive, it cost one his job and an appointment).

But only particular kinds of leaks, mind you. like the ones on blue dresses, not the ones of covert cia agents. These kinds of things are creating friction.

Most other links to this story are stating things in the same vein.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...a.resignations/
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...signations.html

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/ne...ts/10189682.htm
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"Porter Goss is on the right track," McCain said Sunday, also on CBS. McCain said the kind of personnel changes that have been reported as causing dissent within the CIA ranks are absolutely necessary. "He is being savaged by these people that want the status quo, and the status quo is not satisfactory."

To others, Goss' aides are employing a brusque management style that is alienating career officials with decades of experience.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...ignations_x.htm
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Beneath the formalities lay a simmering dispute pitting Kappes and Sulick against Goss and his top aide, Patrick Murray. Under Goss' chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee earlier this year, Murray drafted a report calling the Directorate of Operations "dysfunctional." Rep. Jane Harman of California, ranking Democrat on the panel, said Monday that Murray was part of a "highly partisan, inexperienced staff" that Goss brought from Capitol Hill. Harman said Goss' staff clashed with CIA officers she described as highly professional. Murray, through a CIA spokesman, declined to comment.



At any rate more cia stuff here:

Dogmatic intelligence
A veteran CIA operative sues the agency for firing him after he refused orders to falsify his reports on Iraq's WMD.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...suit/index.html

U.S. Insiders Say Iraq Intel Deliberately Skewed
by Jim Wolf
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0531-01.htm

How to Create a WIA -- Worthless Intelligence Agency
By Chalmers Johnson (author of Blowback)
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2025

Selective Intelligence
Donald Rumsfeld Has His Own Special Sources. Are They Reliable?
(about the Cabal (Team B 2000))
by Seymour M. Hersh
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0506-06.htm

I feel that there's a danger of inverting the mission of the CIA. Instead of assertianing information and reacting to it, in a way that the public often doesn't know about, it's new mission will be to provide the information to justify a predecided action, as an excercise for the public.

Which brings us to:
Intelligence Reform or Patriot Act 2?
http://www.zmag.org/content/showart...=43&ItemID=6848
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Intelligence reform has been a stealth-project from the get-go. It was intended to shift the blame for 9-11 and the Iraq war (WMD) to the Intel organizations (primarily the CIA). It’s complete nonsense. Everyone knows the problems stemmed from the falsifying of information by the Bush team, so there was no reason to go through all the hoopla of “fixing” the system.

Instead of addressing the underlying issues, the new bill eviscerates what’s left of the Bill of Rights and hands over more power to Bush. Now, Bush is free to hand-pick the men he wants for top-level Intelligence positions without Senate confirmation - an invitation to create his personal security apparatus without congressional interference. The bill also decreases Congress’ powers of oversight. The new Intelligence Director can exempt his office from “audits and investigations, and Congress will not receive reports from an objective internal auditor.” In other words, Congress has limited its own access to critical information of how taxpayer dollars are being spent. They’ve simply given up their role of checking for presidential abuse.

The bill “eliminates provisions to ensure that it (Congress) receives timely access to intelligence, and it also allows the White House's Office of Management and Budget to screen testimony before the Intelligence Director presents it to the Congress.” So, now Bush can either stonewall Congress entirely or just cherry-pick the tidbits he doesn’t mind handing over. The Congress is just paving the way for even greater secrecy.

Needless to say, all the whistle-blower protections have been removed from the new bill. In this new paradigm of Mafia-style governance the only unpardonable offense is reporting the crimes of one’s bosses. Now, the Bush Fedayeen can purge the entire intelligence apparatus and no one will be the wiser.

Also, the Intelligence budget (around$20 billion) will be shielded from Congressional scrutiny. Can you believe it? The Congress is cutting a blank check for $20 billion to Bush and they don’t want to know what he’s doing with the money?!? There’s no doubt that copious amounts of cash will be dumped into illicit activity, like dirty tricks, covert operations, torture facilities and death squads.



ACLU Disappointed With ‘Intelligence Reform’ Bill Passage, Final Measure Still Contains Unneeded Attacks on Privacy and Freedom
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Saf...?ID=17168&c=206
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the intelligence reform bill unnecessarily expands upon law enforcement powers - several of which were seen in the draft Patriot Act 2 - a measure so controversial, it was never considered by Congress. Specifically, it unnecessarily expands wiretapping to erase a key constitutional safeguard and expands the "guilt by association" material support law, including making mere membership in a designated terrorist organization a criminal offense for the first time. It should be remembered that the 9/11 Commission did not call for any of these provisions in its report.



http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Saf...?ID=17155&c=206
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n letters sent to the House and Senate today, the ACLU said that the legislation contains provisions that would:

* Unnecessarily expand wiretapping to erase a key constitutional safeguard and expand the "guilt by association" material support law, including making mere membership in a designated terrorist organization a criminal offense for the first time. The 9/11 Commission did not call for any of these provisions in its report.
* Create a weakened civil liberties board that risks becoming the proverbial fox guarding the hen house. The board would be appointed by the President, serve at his pleasure, and have no subpoena power.
* Standardize drivers’ licenses and state identification cards, creating a de facto national ID. This cosmetic "quick fix" would not effectively deter terrorists, the ACLU said, but would threaten our freedom and our right to privacy by making it easier for the federal government to constantly track our movements.

The ACLU did, however, applaud the conference committee for resisting attempts by a few hard-line Members of Congress to insert assaults on immigrants’ rights and grant law enforcement sweeping new powers.

"While the bill could have been much worse, Congress should not pass a bad bill simply because it is there," said Timothy H. Edgar, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Politics - not policy - has been the main driving force behind this bill. Politics should not be allowed to determine the shape of our national intelligence systems."



So what chu all think of the the goings on in intelligence, intelligence reform, the cia, and all? Happy reading.

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Goss is creating a WIA. He's succeeding in driving out all who would effectively confront him.

And PATRIOT Act II is the whirlwind that the country will reap because of what the Reds have sown.

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Goss is creating a WIA. He's succeeding in driving out all who would effectively confront him.

And PATRIOT Act II is the whirlwind that the country will reap because of what the Reds have sown.

dont leave that horrendous piece of legislation solely at the feet of those you'd call 'reds.' I know quite a few 'blues' who have been thoroughly satisfied with the administration on that front. In addition, it is as much the fault of the blues for failing to prevent as it is the reds.

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Damn that leftwing media conspiracy for their cunning leftwing plan of not opposing Bush domestic and foreign policy in the period after 11/9.

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dont leave that horrendous piece of legislation solely at the feet of those you'd call 'reds.' I know quite a few 'blues' who have been thoroughly satisfied with the administration on that front. In addition, it is as much the fault of the blues for failing to prevent as it is the reds.


That is true, but my point is that had the Reds not lost their frigging minds and voted for BushCo, PATRIOT Act II would not happen, and PATRIOT ACT I would die a quick death on its expiration date and we'd have a functioning Bill of Rights again.

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eh. and had the Blues not lost their frigging minds and voted for PATRIOT ACT I, etc, etc, etc.

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It is sad that a lot of Blue legislaters supported PATRIOT Act I, but after 9/11 a lot of pols went temporarily insane and supported anything that made them look patriotic and "doing something" to thwart terrorism. Unfortunately nobody seemed to read what was being shoved down the nation's throat. Now, the Blues know better, but the Reds have more control of Congress than they did back then and PATRIOT Act II will likely be passed.

Rev. Niemoller had it right.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.


What can be done to "them" can, and will, eventually, be done to you in time. This is why people should be very careful in supporting laws that take constitutional rights away from certain classes of people.

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Why have the reds gained more control in congress?

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"Why have the reds gained more control in congress?"

Hmmmm..... Could it be that voters thought Bush could handle the war better than Kerry? Honestly, look at the morass that Iraq has become and try to tell me with a straight face that Kerry would have done worse? Nah, that wasn't it.

Could it be that Reds thought Bush could handle the economy better? See above answer and subsitute "economy" for "Iraq". Nope, not it either.

Was it his foreign policy? See above answer again and subsitute "foreign policy" for "Iraq". Wrong again!

Was it moral values? Anyone who lauds our troops in battle and then tries to cut their battlefield pay cannot be considered very moral. Anyone who recieves the unwavering support of FOX and its owner, rupert Murdoch, which is just as guilty with their programming of mindless filth on their network as any other, and does not denounce them for it, cannot be considered very moral. Anyone who claims to be for the average American taxpayer and then gives the richest 1% the lion's share of tax cuts cannot be considered moral. Anyone who lies their way to getting into a war with another nation that has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 cannot be very moral. Moral values? That sure as shit ain't it.

Could it be that rural intellectual lightweights and NASCAR fuckwits bought into the Bush/GOP propaganda campaign? Hmmmm..... there could be something to that.......

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Maybe half the country is sick and tired of being insulted by their overseers for holding different opinions and priorities. No, that can't have anything to do with it. There must be something wrong with them. Doctor, heal thyself.

why have the 'reds' gained more control in congress?

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Was it moral values? Anyone who lauds our troops in battle and then tries to cut their battlefield pay cannot be considered very moral. ... Anyone who claims to be for the average American taxpayer and then gives the richest 1% the lion's share of tax cuts cannot be considered moral.
With this I find special falt. You somehow hold in your mind that the Bush administration has been highly irresponsible with the economy for increasing spending yet where they've made attempts to cut spending, you also find fault. You speak of morality and justice, yet also find fault with the government cutting the taxes of those who are taxed the most. bilge rat, don't speak to anyone of morality. Your moral compass has no markings to designate any directions. You simply hold it up and point. "That's North! Trust me! I know! The people I listen to are smarter than the people you listen to!"

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"why have the 'reds' gained more control in congress?"

Because those that vote for a candidate or political party tend to vote for congressional candidates that are of the same party, i.e. party loyalty.

It doesn't always hold true in all elections, but it is most likely the explanation here. And I must admit, when it comes to smear campaigns and political propaganda, the GOP makes the Democrats look like pikers. Just like the presidential race, the Reds bought the Party line like a homeless alcoholic does Thunderbird.

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couldnt possibly have anything to do with them disagreeing with you.

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And that is the key right there. It's that disagreement which as polarized American politics to such extremes. Blues just can't understand why Reds couldn't see that Bush was the biggest piece of shit to walk down the road since Nixon. Blues may have a mote in their eyes, but the beam in the Red's eyes is beyond belief.

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Now that we're done derailing this thread away from it's intended purpose, just what is your opinion of the latest intelligence reform? Is Goss the man or what? Does the new intelligence bill solve or complexify the spy community?

I'll restate what I said earlier and should have left off at: Goss is creating a WIA. He's succeeding in driving out all who would effectively confront him.

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i dont know enough of the situation to really comment, but if what you're saying is true, and if its true that the current system is broken, is it necessarily a bad thing that he's pushing the old-timers out?

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i dont know enough of the situation to really comment, but if what you're saying is true, and if its true that the current system is broken, is it necessarily a bad thing that he's pushing the old-timers out?


Depends what his litmus test is.

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There are plenty of laws which hamper the effectiveness of the intelligence community for the sake of American's civil liberties.

Trust me on this one.

These laws and acts and other horseshit are not doing anything to help out the intel community. Patriot Act 1, 2, whatever have not done squat to make things easier for the people doing the work. They have just exacerbated the existing ricebowl arguments.

What needs to happen is that the Administration must recognize who in the community knows what the fuck they are doing (judge by past accomplishments) and empower them to get the job done. Create a central clearinghouse for intel analysis under the control/oversight of the Congress so that the necessary work gets done without any of the agencies contributing info overstepping their bounds.

Fuck, they ought to just put me in charge. How would that be?

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Anyone who recieves the unwavering support of FOX and its owner, rupert Murdoch, which is just as guilty with their programming of mindless filth on their network as any other,


There isn't any 'mindless filth' on US network television. 'Mindless crap', sure (the US isn't unique in that) but no filth, more's the pity. All the networks in a desperate scramble to produce the same stuff the others are with a marginally different spin, to win the audience of a numbed viewing public. If they were competing on the basis of filth, at least it might be somewhat more entertaining. Those social conservatives (no idea how many there are) who think that network tv carries filth are divorced from reality.

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There are plenty of laws which hamper the effectiveness of the intelligence community for the sake of American's civil liberties.

Trust me on this one.

These laws and acts and other horseshit are not doing anything to help out the intel community. Patriot Act 1, 2, whatever have not done squat to make things easier for the people doing the work. They have just exacerbated the existing ricebowl arguments.

What needs to happen is that the Administration must recognize who in the community knows what the fuck they are doing (judge by past accomplishments) and empower them to get the job done. Create a central clearinghouse for intel analysis under the control/oversight of the Congress so that the necessary work gets done without any of the agencies contributing info overstepping their bounds.



The point is that some of the 'past achievements' weren't considered that nice, morally (witness the presidential order against assassination, partially rescinded by Bush; that was introduced in part because of the fact that, left to their own devices, government agencies don't act the way that the US population might wish them to act). It seems to me that you buy civil freedoms with lives; the founding fathers knew it, the black civil rights campaigners of the 50s and 60s knew it and people today should know it. The legislation to limit the intel agencies will perhaps make them more likely to allow attacks in the US that cost lives; such is the cost of civil liberty. Perhaps the difference between the two other examples is that in those cases, it was the heros with belief who put themself into the grinder, wheras now it could be anyone (likely far less brave); in that sense, public supprt for relaxing civil liberties restrictions on intelligence agencies 'to prevent another attack!', even while valueing civil liberties in rhetoric, is something of an act of collective cowardice.

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Top Central Intelligence analyst resigns
More than a dozen officials have quit since Goss became CIA chief
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6765173/

By Robert Windrem and wire services
Updated: 8:40 a.m. ET Dec. 29, 2004

NEW YORK - The top analyst at the CIA is resigning next year, joining more than a dozen agency officials who have stepped down since Porter Goss became the Director of Central Intelligence, NBC News has learned.

Jami Miscik, deputy director for intelligence (DDI), told her workforce Tuesday she will be stepping down in February, an official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official refused to comment on whether she resigned voluntarily or was asked to step down.

No replacement has been named yet.

'Not exactly her decision'
Although her resignation did not come as a surprise, a source close to Miscik told NBC News, on condition of anonymity, that “it is not exactly her decision,” implying that Goss asked her to leave as part of his house-cleaning of senior staff from the George Tenet era.

The New York Times said Miscik, in a message to subordinates, described her resignation as part of a “natural evolution” and that every intelligence chief “has a desire to have his own team in place to implement his vision and to offer him counsel.”

Miscik is a 21-year veteran of the agency, having joined it immediately after earning her master's degree at the University of Denver.

She has served as the DDI since 2002, and was the directorate's second-in-command from 2000 to 2002.

As DDI, Miscik was responsible for the preparation of the president’s daily intelligence briefing, and oversaw the 1,000-person analytical staff, one of three directorates in the agency.

The others are the Directorate of Operations, the agency's clandestine service, and the Directorate of Science and Technology. Since Tenet resigned, two deputy directors of operations have stepped down.

Altogether, more than