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Max Power
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: North Myrtle Beach SC
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quote: It's been a little more than two months since the election, and one thing is clear: You've got to hand it to the rightie-tighties. The pursed-lipped, pseudo-moralist right-wing commentators and pundits have the debate right where they want it. Their arguments are so easy and simple, they have mass appeal. They have the Democrats cornered, and unless the frame of the debate is changed, the Democrats have little chance of reversing the political fortunes of the nation for some time.
The way the issues are framed isn't the problem as these progressives would have it .The problem isn't that they couldn't find the correct way to package their beliefs so that the people they see as beneath them , the teeming masses of dumb rednecks , racist , Islamiphobes and greedy white people who object to having their money redistributed as the benevolent ascended masters know is best for us all .
Part of the problem may be that the left is too arrogant to admit that there is any possibility that they may be wrong, rather than millions of people being too stupid to comprehend their higher than thou musings.
quote: The following observations are aimed at the right-wing pundits - not at the numerous Republicans who just want the same things we all do: safety, security, a good educational system, a high standard of living, an ability to offer hope for the rest of the world.
For us all to agree that we want safety and security , we would all have to first admit the need for it, according to many liberal writers the war on terror that they mock even the mention of, is nothing more than a redneck Christian attack on Islam ( which despite the fact that it is involved in the justification of violence on almost every patch of land the planet is a peaceful religion above even question) and a pretense for taking over the world oil supply .
Not only that, even if we are attacked ,we sort of deserve it because of our "unfair policies" , which seem to be standing in the way of Islamic theocracies and the pushing into the sea of Jews.
I heard one of the anti war group leaders on C span today who sat on stage beside Black panthers(a racist group) and a women with a red star on her hat ) who will be protesting the inauguration of Bush on the 20th attacking our attack on Afghanistan , according to him we had no right to even defend our nation from future attacks from the hate group which that government allied itself with.
As far as a a high standard of living, and ability to offer hope for the rest of the world , I think the high standard of living is the first thing that the left goes after with wasteful social programs where lack of money or education isn't the problem , but lack of personal responsibility and common sense are.
We have offered hope to the women of Afghanistan and the Kurds and Shia of Iraq who will be voting for their leaders in a few days rather than fearing their former one .
quote: Most mainstream Republicans by definition aren't radicals, and most don't even listen to the cable news and right-wing radio commentators. Thus, many of them are by chance not aware, or are deliberately unaware, of the right's poisonous commentary that passes for political debate in America. What that means is - most Republicans don't know about the radical voices that speak for them.
That is right, most people who vote for Republicans are not political junkies, they don't need to be , common sense tells them that people are responsible for their actions , that when we are attacked that we must defend ourselves, that a man who by his own effort , study , and long hours makes enough money to have some of the the luxuries of life shouldn't be punished for it, or have his money taken away and given to those who many times refused to do the things that he had to do to earn it.
quote: For the pundits who dominate the airwaves - the rightie-tighties - are painting their opponents as enemies not just of America, but of normalcy, decency, and common sense. In other words, the right-wing commentators are creating an atmosphere that threatens the fabric of our democracy by casting liberal foes as enemies and as corrupt spiritual and moral cowards.
The Democrats have allowed themselves to be associated with shrill radicals , far left professors who haven't lived in the real world since 1969 , anarchist , people who blame Sept.11 on the CIA and Jews, people who compare our country to Nazis ,and people who are with no doubt haters of not only America, but western culture as a whole . The Democrats are none of the above , and they need to remove themselves from the company of these people and reject publicly their claims and positions.
quote: To stop this insanity, and the division, Republicans of good conscience need to stand up and be counted among the reasonable.
We will when Ted Rall and Moveon.org does .Rather than spreading lies and unfounded conspiracy theories.
quote: Think about it for a second. Here's the way the extreme right-wingers - i.e., people you hear every day, all day, on TV and radio - have termed the debate:
quote: If you fight for civil liberties, you're pro-criminal.
If you are anti crime , you are a racist .
quote: If you fight for justice in U.S. foreign policies, you're anti-American.
No , if you bash the religious right but excuse the Taliban , if you say we deserved to be attacked,if you compare Us the Hitler and say you hope China will attack us to "teach us a lesson" then it is fair to call those people Anti American.
quote: If you think people should have a right to determine their life partners and give them health benefits, you're pro-queer.
If you think that marriage is a already fragile institution and as a basis of society gay marriage may weaken it's meaning and hurt society as a whole , or if you believe as million of orthodox monotheist believe ,that homo sexuality is wrong , then you are a homophobic bible thumping red neck trailer trash Nazi.
I happen not to be a cultural conservative , but I think they have a right to exist on the planet , and vote based on that belief.They are not Nazis or trash and mother- fuck those who say they are.
quote: If you think the U.S. government should not be spying on its own citizens, you're pro-terrorist.
Depends on what you mean ? Are you talking about investigating terrorist just like we did the mob ? That is called law enforcement.
The FBI doesn't care what library books Al Frakken is reading.
quote: If you think the United States should not be torturing those it holds captive, you're coddling murderers.
If you won't even consider the argument that educated people are making that this is a different time, and we MAY need to adapt , just as we always have, you may be putting us all at risk even if you don't intend to .
But we still aren't nazis.
quote: If you think people should not be held indefinitely without trial or lawyers, you support terrorism.
If you think that non citizen enemies of our constitution should be protected by it , or that they should have access to our legal system you are being unrealistic about how we can win this war that they declared on us .
quote: If you think society should help the poor, you're soft on the shiftless.
Making them dependent of the government for the rest of their lives isn't helping them.
quote: If you want equal education for all, you're pro-black at the expense of whites.
If you hold whites to higher standards than blacks then you are sort of saying that you think they cannot compete, and I guess really are inferior.
Holding people to different standards based on race , is racism.
quote: If you want health care for all, you're a socialist.
You are. if it is in the form liberals suggest.
quote: If you think everyone has a right to a fair trial, you're soft on crime.
I have never heard anyone say that people in the Us shouldn't have a fair trial , I guess this is a code for something.
quote: If you hope for a fairer tax system, you're for higher taxes.
Fair is a matter of opinion.
quote: If you want a government that helps people, you're for big government.
Helps them do what , and for how long?
quote: The list of lies could go on. But in short, it is clear that the righteous right has done a great job of framing the debate as one that pits "normal" and "good" Americans against all the "others" - the poor, the minorities, the gays, the disenfranchised, and the liberals who sometimes champion their causes.
And the more people the left can convince they are disenfranchised and the victim of the rich and white the better . Right? Forever lock people psychologically out of society by hyphenating them and giving them a siege mentality.
quote: Their rhetorical trick is no secret. The right-wing blowhards make no distinctions between Democrats, liberals, and extreme left-wingers who do indeed sometimes espouse values that are out of touch with most people. Thus, Democrats or liberals are called anti-American, and are painted as against common-sense values that ordinarily would unite us all.
Democrats are to blame for this blurring of distinctions .
quote: But here is the rub: The opposite is what is actually true: The real anti-Americans are the rabid right-wingers who are polluting our airwaves with endless lies and paranoia that are poisoning the nation and its future.
Lies and paranoia about what? Islamic terrorism , they are attacking targets every day around the world , don't make me list them , I will, or is it a CIA plot to read hippies library books?
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They are against personal liberty, having endorsed government suspension of habeus corpus and having backed the government's power to monitor what books you check out of the library.
There it is.
quote: They are for big government, wanting a government so invasive that it can monitor your bedroom activities or stop a grandmother from smoking pot to alleviate her cancer pain
They are against civil liberties, having supported the government's power to spy on our bookstore, credit card and hotel receipts..
What was that about paranoia?
quote: They are against basic morals, such as help for the poor, education for all, social security, and universal health care for children, the poor and the unemployed.
Yes, they hate the poor ..
quote: They are on the side of the wealthy and the powerful at the expense of the underdog, having redirected tax and regulatory policies that favor the richest among us.
Lets all hate those people! It's all their fault! No rich people got their money through hard work.
I thought liberals were for unity? Unity in what victim mentality and class warfare?
If this is the lefts reach out plan , to the poor misguided red staters ,that they really don't like , because deep down they know they are better than , after all there is nothing south of Ohio but pig farms but need them to win elections, I hope there is a plan B.
No , I don't.
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