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Couple jof interesting articles have shown up my way about the state o' Britian, thought we might get some british input on their perspective.

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Sweden vs England
Sweden proves the neoliberals wrong about how to slash poverty.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showart...=13&ItemID=7002
by George Monbiot January 11, 2005
The Guardian

"Does not already the response to the massive tidal wave in south east Asia," Gordon Brown asked on Thursday, "show just how closely and irrevocably bound together ... are the fortunes of the richest persons in the richest country to the fate of the poorest persons in the poorest country?"(1)

The answer is no. It is true that the very rich might feel sorry for the very poor, and that some of them have responded generously to the latest catastrophe. But it is hard to imagine how the fate and fortunes of the richest and poorest could be further removed. The ten richest people on earth have a combined net worth of $255bn - roughly 60% of the income of sub-Saharan Africa.(2) The world's 500 richest people have more money than the total annual earnings of the poorest three billion.(3)

This issue - of global inequality - was not mentioned in either Brown's speech or Tony Blair's simultaneous press conference. Indeed I have so far failed to find a reference to it in the recent speeches of any leader of a G8 nation. I believe that the concern evinced by Blair and Brown for the world's poor is genuine. I believe that they mean it when they say they will put the poor at the top of the agenda for the G8 summit in July. The problem is that their concern for the poor ends where their concern for the rich begins.

There is, at the moment, a furious debate among economists about whether global inequality is rising or falling. No one disputes that there is a staggering gulf between rich and poor, which has survived decades of global economic growth. But what the neoliberals - who promote unregulated global capitalism - tell us is that there is no conflict between the whims of the wealthy and the needs of the wretched. The Economist magazine, for example, argues that the more freedom you give the rich, the better off the poor will be. Without restraints, the rich have a more powerful incentive to generate global growth, and this growth becomes "the rising tide that lifts all boats". Countries which intervene in the market with "punitive taxes, grandiose programmes of public spending, and all the other apparatus of applied economic justice" condemn their people to remain poor. A zeal for justice does "nothing but harm".(4)

Now it may be true that global growth, however poorly distributed, is slowly lifting everyone off the mud. Unfortunately we have no way of telling, as the only current set of comprehensive figures on global poverty is - as researchers at Columbia University have shown - so methodologically flawed as to be useless.(5)

But there is another means of testing the neoliberals' hypothesis, which is to compare the performance of nations which have taken different routes to development. The neoliberals dismiss the problems faced by developing countries as "growing pains", so let's look at the closest thing we have to a final result. Let's take two countries which have gone all the way through the development process and arrived in the promised land of prosperity. Let's compare the United Kingdom - a pioneer of neoliberalism - and Sweden: one of the last outposts of distributionism. And let's make use of a set of statistics the Economist is unlikely to dispute: those contained within its own publication, the 2005 World in Figures.(6)

The first surprise, for anyone who has swallowed the stories about our unrivalled economic dynamism, is that, in terms of gross domestic product, Sweden has done as well as we have. In 2002 its GDP per capita was $27,310, and the UK's was $26,240. This is no blip. In only seven years between 1960 and 2001 did Sweden's per capita GDP fall behind the United Kingdom's.(7)

More surprisingly still, Sweden has a current account surplus of $10bn and the UK a deficit of $26bn. Even by the neoliberals' favourite measures, Sweden wins: it has a lower inflation rate than ours, higher "global competitiveness" and a higher ranking for "business creativity and research".

In terms of human welfare, there is no competition. According to the quality of life measure published by the Economist (the "human development index") Sweden ranks third in the world, the UK 11th. Sweden has the world's third highest life expectancy, the UK the 29th. In Sweden, there are 74 telephone lines and 62 computers per hundred people; in the UK just 59 and 41.

The contrast between the averaged figures is stark enough, but it's far greater for the people at the bottom of the social heap. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Economist does not publish this data, but the United Nations does. Its Human Development Report for 2004 shows that in Sweden 6.3% of the population lives below the absolute poverty line for developed nations ($11 a day).(8) In the United Kingdom the figure is 15.7%. Seven and a half per cent of Swedish adults are functionally illiterate - just over one third of the UK's figure of 21.8%. In the United Kingdom, according to a separate study, you are over three times as likely to stay in the economic class into which you were born than you are in Sweden.(9) So much for the deregulated market creating opportunity.

The reason for these differences is straightforward. Over most of the 20th century, Sweden has pursued, in the words of a recent pamphlet published by the Catalyst Forum, "policies designed to narrow the inequality of condition between social classes".(10) These include what the Economist calls "punitive taxes" and "grandiose programmes of public spending", which, remember, do "nothing but harm". These policies in fact appear to have enhanced the country's economic competitiveness, while ensuring that the poor obtain a higher proportion of total national income. In Sweden, according to the UN, the richest 10% earn 6.2 times as much money as the poorest 10%. In the UK the ratio is 13.8.(11)

So for countries hoping to reach the promised land, there is a choice. They could seek to replicate the Swedish model of development - in which the benefits of growth are widely distributed - or the United Kingdom's, in which they are concentrated in the hands of the rich. That's the theory. In practice they have no choice. Through the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organisation, the G8 governments force them to follow a model closer to the UK's, but even harsher and less distributive. Of the two kinds of capitalism, Blair, Brown and the other G8 leaders have chosen for developing countries the one less likely to help the poor.

Unless this changes, their "Marshall plan for the developing world" is useless. Brown fulminates about the fact that, five years after "almost every single country" signed up to new pledges on eliminating global poverty, scarcely any progress has been made.(12) But the very policies he implements as a governor of the IMF make this progress impossible. Despite everything we have been told over the past 25 years, it is still true that helping the poor means restraining the rich.

The sources for this and all George Monbiot's recent columns can be found at www.monbiot.com.

References:

1. Gordon Brown, 6th January 2005. International Development in 2005: the challenge and the opportunity. Speech at the National Gallery of Scotland.

2. http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

3. John Cavanagh and Sarah Anderson, 2003. World's Billionaires Take a Hit, But Still Soar. http://www.ips-dc.org/projects/glob...illionaires.htm

4. No author, 11th March 2004. A question of justice? The Economist

5. Sanjay G. Reddy and Thomas W. Pogge, March 2003. How Not To Count The Poor. http://www.columbia.edu/~sr793/. Their findings are paper is summarised at http://www.monbiot.com/archives/200...in-imagination/

6. The Economist, 2004. Pocket World in Figures, 2005 edition. Profile Books, London.

7. You can see a table of the figures for 1960-1998, compiled from the US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics at http://www.publicpurpose.com/lm-ppp60+.htm. I have taken the figures for 1999-2001 from the UN Human Development reports, 2001-2003.

8. United Nations Development Programme, 2004. Human Development Report: Cultural Liberty in Today's Diverse World. UNDP, New York.

9. L. Dearden, S. Machin and H. Reed, 1997. Intergenerational mobility in Britain. Economic Journal #107; and T. Osterberg, 2000. Intergenerational Income Mobility in Sweden. Review of Income and Wealth Series 46, No 4, both cited in Ben Jackson and Paul Segal, October 2004. Why Inequality Matters. The catalyst Forum, London.

10. Ben Jackson and Paul Segal, October 2004. Why Inequality Matters. The catalyst Forum, London.

11. United Nations Development Programme, 2004. Human Development Report: Cultural Liberty in Today's Diverse World. UNDP, New York.

12. Gordon Brown, ibid.

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The British Evasion
Originally published in The New York Times, 1.14.05
Paul Krugman

http://pkarchive.org/column/011405.html

We must end Social Security as we know it, the Bush administration says, to meet the fiscal burden of paying benefits to the baby boomers. But the most likely privatization scheme would actually increase the budget deficit until 2050. By then the youngest surviving baby boomer will be 86 years old.

Even then, would we have a sustainable retirement system? Not bloody likely.

Pardon my Britishism, but Britain's 20-year experience with privatization is a cautionary tale Americans should know about.

The U.S. news media have provided readers and viewers with little information about how privatization has worked in other countries. Now my colleagues have even fewer excuses: there's an illuminating article on the British experience in The American Prospect, www.prospect.org, by Norma Cohen, a senior corporate reporter at The Financial Times who covers pension issues.

Her verdict is summed up in her title: "A Bloody Mess." Strong words, but her conclusions match those expressed more discreetly in a recent report by Britain's Pensions Commission, which warns that at least 75 percent of those with private investment accounts will not have enough savings to provide "adequate pensions."

The details of British privatization differ from the likely Bush administration plan because the starting point was different. But there are basic similarities. Guaranteed benefits were cut; workers were expected to make up for these benefit cuts by earning high returns on their private accounts.

The selling of privatization also bore a striking resemblance to President Bush's crisis-mongering. Britain had a retirement system that was working quite well, but conservative politicians issued grim warnings about the distant future, insisting that privatization was the only answer.

The main difference from the current U.S. situation was that Britain was better prepared for the transition. Britain's system was backed by extensive assets, so the government didn't have to engage in a four-decade borrowing spree to finance the creation of private accounts. And the Thatcher government hadn't already driven the budget deep into deficit before privatization even began.

Even so, it all went wrong. "Britain's experiment with substituting private savings accounts for a portion of state benefits has been a failure," Ms. Cohen writes. "A shorthand explanation for what has gone wrong is that the costs and risks of running private investment accounts outweigh the value of the returns they are likely to earn."

Many Britons were sold badly designed retirement plans on false pretenses. Companies guilty of "mis-selling" were eventually forced to pay about $20 billion in compensation. Fraud aside, the fees paid to financial managers have been a major problem: "Reductions in yield resulting from providers' charges," the Pensions Commission says, "can absorb 20-30 percent of an individual's pension savings."

American privatizers extol the virtues of personal choice, and often accuse skeptics of being elitists who believe that the government makes better choices than individuals. Yet when one brings up Britain's experience, their story suddenly changes: they promise to hold costs down by tightly restricting the investments individuals can make, and by carefully regulating the money managers. So much for trusting the people.

Never mind; their promises aren't credible. Even if the initial legislation tightly regulated investments by private accounts, it would immediately be followed by intense lobbying to loosen the rules. This lobbying would come both from the usual ideologues and from financial companies eager for fees. In fact, the lobbying has already started: the financial services industry has contributed lavishly to next week's inaugural celebrations.

Meanwhile, there is a growing consensus in Britain that privatization must be partly reversed. The Confederation of British Industry - the equivalent of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce - has called for an increase in guaranteed benefits to retirees, even if taxes have to be raised to pay for that increase. And the chief executive of Britain's National Association of Pension Funds speaks with admiration about a foreign system that "delivers efficiencies of scale that most companies would die for."

The foreign country that, in the view of well-informed Britons, does it right is the United States. The system that delivers efficiencies to die for is Social Security.

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A Bloody Mess
From our February 2005 issue: How has Britain’s privatization scheme worked out? Well, today, they’re looking enviably upon Social Security.
http://www.prospect.org/web/printfr...view.ww?id=8997
By Norma Cohen

A conservative government sweeps to power for a second term. It views its victory as a mandate to slash the role of the state. In its first term, this policy objective was met by cutting taxes for the wealthy. Its top priority for its second term is tackling what it views as an enduring vestige of socialism: its system of social insurance for the elderly. Declaring the current program unaffordable in 50 years’ time, the administration proposes the privatization of a portion of old-age benefits. In exchange for giving up some future benefits, workers would get a tax rebate to put into an investment account to save for their own retirement.

George W. Bush’s America in 2005? Think again. The year was 1984, the nation was Britain, the government was that of Margaret Thatcher -- and the results have been a disaster that America is about to emulate.

For all the fanfare that surrounds the Bush administration’s efforts to present a bold new idea on pension reform, the truth is that it is not new at all. In fact, the proposal looks suspiciously like the plan set in train during Thatcher’s first term in 1979 and which has since led Britain to the brink of a crisis. Since then, the nation’s basic pension, which is paid for out of tax receipts, has shrunk dramatically. The United Kingdom has the stingiest state pension program of any G8 nation, and there is growing consensus -- even among British conservatives -- that reform is needed. And ironically enough, considering that America is on the verge of copying Britain’s mistake, most experts seek reform in the direction of a more generous, and simpler, basic state pension -- one similar in design, in other words, to America’s Social Security program.

David Willetts, the Conservative MP who is the opposition spokesman on pensions (and whose intellectual agility has earned him the sobriquet “Two Brains”), is one admirer of the U.S. system. “I like the way they distinguish between Social Security and means-tested welfare,” he says. “They have higher Social Security benefits to keep elderly people off welfare.” And last year, in a startling reversal of its decades-old policy, the Confederation of British Industry, the United Kingdom’s premier business group and the functional equivalent of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, called for a more generous state retirement benefit, saying -- remember, this is the nation’s leading business lobby talking -- that it would even support raising taxes to help pay for it. (It also called for raising the retirement age.)

Britain’s experiment with substituting private savings accounts for a portion of state benefits has been a failure. A shorthand explanation for what has gone wrong is that the costs and risks of running private investment accounts outweigh the value of the returns they are likely to earn. On average, fees and charges can reduce pension lump sums by up to 30 percent on retirement. The nation’s savings industry, which sells those private accounts, has already acknowledged this. Which brings us to irony No. 2: Just as the United States prepares to funnel untold billions to its private sector for the management of private accounts, back in 2002, many U.K. insurance companies, mindful of tough new rules against giving bad advice, began to write to their customers urging them to consider abandoning their private savings and returning to the state pension system -- something hundreds of thousands of Britons have done already.

And this is the system that the United States is seeking to emulate?

* * *

How Britain’s retirement system got to where it is today is a twisted tale that combines political ideology with fiscal expediency.

Britain has had pensions since medieval times; offering them to monks and abbesses was Henry VIII’s simple formula for dissolving Catholic monasteries without a revolt by their occupants. They were given more widespread use in the late 19th century by some of the more enlightened entrepreneurs. But it was the aftermath of World War II that saw the widespread inclusion of pension benefits into workers’ benefits packages. Britain’s nationalization of its heavy industries such as coal, steel, and railroads made pensions as much an element of social policy as of employment policy. At the time, Britain was suffering a manpower shortage so acute that, for the first time, it encouraged citizens of its former West Indian colonies to settle there. For employers in certain industries such as retailing and banking, dependent on large numbers of relatively low-wage workers in a labor-restricted economy, pensions were a low-cost insurance policy against high staff turnover that could drive up wage bills. The system was, to be sure, complex and not without its inequities. But it was not in crisis.

Thatcher (now a baroness) came to power in May 1979 at a time when much of Britain was ready to hear her message. The now-infamous poster of workers on the dole queue, headlined “Labour Isn’t Working,” coupled with national disgust over a series of strikes during the 1979 “Winter of Discontent” that left bodies stacked at morgues in Liverpool and trash piled high in London’s Trafalgar Square, made Britons eager for change.

Thatcher’s vision was the dismantling of much of what Britain’s Conservative Party calls “the nanny state.” Individual choice and individual opportunity were to be the hallmarks of this dismantling. No longer would the state seek to shield people from the force of the markets; people would have to learn to stand on their own two feet. Britain was to be a nation of home-owning, share-owning entrepreneurs who did not want the state snooping into their business or asking more of them than good citizenship.

From the start, the new Tory government set out to make tax cutting the centerpiece of its fiscal policies. However, it was clear that this could not be accomplished without benefit cuts. As former Chancellor of the Exchequer Nigel Lawson notes in his memoirs, the single most important cut was directed at retirement benefits. So the Tories’ very first budget, passed by Parliament in 1979, included a fateful change in the formula for basic state pensions. For years before that, state pensions had risen in line with wages; but the 1979 budget decreed that in the future, they would rise in line with inflation. This is one key change that the Bush administration is contemplating today for Social Security.

In Britain, by most accounts, the change caused little political fanfare at the time. Ros Altmann, a Harvard-trained specialist in pension economics and a governor at the London School of Economics, says that neither the voting public nor most politicians understood the true implications of altering the link to wages. But those who pushed for the change knew what they were doing: They were slowing the rate of growth in pension increases, because in the United Kingdom, wages have historically risen by 1.5 percentage points to 2 percentage points ahead of inflation each year. (Wages rise ahead of inflation in America as well.) “Two percent doesn’t sound like much,” Altmann notes. “But with the effects of compound interest, that amounts to nearly a 50-percent reduction in the value of benefits over 30 to 40 years.” As a result, the basic state pension in the United Kingdom -- the equivalent of U.S. Social Security -- is today lower than that in all but four other European countries: Portugal, Greece, Belgium, and Ireland. It is also substantially below that of its U.S. counterpart.

The American observer may find it odd that Britain’s voting public was prepared to put up with so low a basic state pension. Why did voters never demand more generous old-age benefits? The answer lies in the fact that the United Kingdom has one of the most generous employer-backed pension systems in Europe. Aggregate assets in U.K. pension funds far outstrip the value of similar funds on the continent. Indeed, in a report issued last October, the Pensions Commission acknowledged this very point. “The UK pension system appeared in the past to work well because one of the least generous systems in the developed world was complemented by the most developed system of voluntary private funded pensions,” the commission wrote. “This rosy picture always hid multiple inadequacies relating to specific groups of people, but on average the system worked.”

Thus, with most Britons assured that their private pensions would protect them, the Tories faced little opposition as they kept at reducing state pensions. The Labour Party, then in opposition, was relatively acquiescent, in part because just a few years earlier, a bipartisan group had agreed on a new legislative centerpiece that was designed to ensure that old-age pensions retained their purchasing power. This legislation established a new and more generous second tier of the basic state pension, which was to be known as SERPS (State Earnings-Related Pension Scheme) and which promised to deliver every worker an additional pension, over and above the basic-level pension and equal to a percentage of the average of his or her best 25 years of wages.

* * *

That additional pension was known as the Guaranteed Minimum Pension (GMP) because, unlike the basic state pension, it set a floor under the smallest benefit a worker could expect in retirement. But it contained an interesting wrinkle: Employers who provided their own schemes for their workers could be allowed a reduction of roughly 60 percent of their payroll taxes if they guaranteed to provide a pension at least as good as the GMP.

Thus was established the principle of “contracting out,” the British term for allowing citizens to divert money from state schemes and to invest instead in private plans -- the term of art, in other words, for privatization. The practice was finally put into place in force with a piece of legislation that passed in 1986.

The narrative of how this came to pass will sound familiar to those who have been following the current debate in America. At the start of 1984, then–Chancellor Nigel Lawson (now Sir Nigel; his daughter Nigella has more recently won great culinary fame on American television) had begun to express his alarm at projections for the cost of SERPS over the next 50 years. A colleague in the cabinet, Social Security Secretary Norman Fowler (also now a “Sir,” albeit one lacking a daughter famous in the States), advocated abolishing it altogether. In his memoirs, Lawson describes SERPS as “a doomsday machine” and calls its provisions “irresponsible generosity.” Both men were strong advocates of personal pensions. However, what Lawson does not say is that while the SERPS expenditure was likely to peak in the year 2030 (projections for that year appeared in all discussions about the need to curtail it), it was projected to fall off after that. But -- here’s another wrinkle that should sound familiar to American ears -- by focusing on projections for 2030, the sense of impending crisis prevailed in the media.

And so, in 1985, the Conservatives pushed through what would become the landmark legislation of social-security privatization. The new law curtailed some SERPS benefits; allowed employees the choice of either joining SERPS or setting up a personal pension scheme; and, crucially, allowed those choosing a personal pension to contract out of SERPS altogether. It was these last two elements, when combined, that led to one of the greatest financial scandals in recent memory and that, together, have undermined confidence in long-term savings in Britain.

The new rules on personal pensions and contracting out did not take effect until 1988. But in the months leading up to their launch, the government spent substantial sums on advertising aimed at encouraging Britons to take them up. The Thatcherite government was so eager to pursue its ideological agenda that it spent taxpayers’ money on it; the 1985 act had included a payment into the fund giving an additional 2-percent tax rebate to those taking out a new personal pension between 1988 and 1993.

When contracting out began, predictions from the Government Actuary’s Department forecast that no more than 500,000 people would take up personal pensions. A former official told the Financial Times at the time, “We all told the secretary of state that personal pensions were really only good for the very young or for very high earners.” But in the first five years, the number of private pensions sold would turn out to be 10 times those two segments of the population. The legislation, and the accompanying public-relations blitz, worked: The “take-up,” as the British call it, of personal pensions was successful beyond the ministers’ wildest dreams and was hailed as one of the triumphs of the Tory government. By the end of the 1988–89 tax year -- the first year in which they were available -- more than 1 million private pensions had been sold, twice the government projection. By the end of the following tax year they totaled 3.9 million, rising to 4.3 million at the end of the 1991 tax year.

It wasn’t until a July 1992 gathering of ministers and civil servants at Chevening, the chancellor of the exchequer’s country residence, that the government got its first official warning that all was not well. On the opening day of a strategy session called by then–Social Security Secretary Peter Lilley, ministers were alerted to the costs now associated with persuading people to opt out of occupational and state pension schemes into personal pension plans. The warning came from David Clark, then deputy secretary for pensions, in a paper to the assembled group. A minister recalled to me, “The paper said that, in some sense, personal pensions have been a tremendous success, but there are a few time bombs ticking away there.”

A report written two years earlier by the National Audit Office confirmed what Clark had told the disbelieving ministers. The government had sent out £9 billion in rebates from 1988 to 1993 to people who had agreed to contract out; but at the same time, the massive shift to private pensions was going to cut SERPS costs by only £3.1 billion. In other words, the government was spending much more than it was saving by bribing people to leave SERPS. What had once been a £1.6-billion surplus in the National Insurance Fund vanished completely. Worst of all, many workers left good occupational plans and faced being worse off, not better off, in retirement by depending on the privatized schemes.

Finally, Britain’s financial services regulator, the Securities and Investment Board, reacted. Over the objections of the insurance industry, it undertook random samples of paperwork from personal pension clients of most large providers and discovered that a staggering percentage of pensions had been sold to those who would be worse off in retirement as a result. The public outcry over the “mis-selling” scandal forced the government to act. It established a review panel and ordered that all those who had been made worse off by taking out a personal pension be compensated by the seller. Over the next eight years, roughly 1.7 million people sought and received compensation that ultimately cost the insurance industry £12 billion. In addition, hundreds of millions were paid out in fines and penalties. It was the biggest financial scandal in the United Kingdom to date.

In retrospect, it is no surprise that personal pensions became controversial; the insurance industry, which would benefit most from their creation, was also the most influential in crafting their design. For advice, Fowler relied heavily on a small group that included the highly influential insurance executive Sir Mark Weinberg, who had launched three insurance companies. According to Fowler’s former aides, no one influenced Fowler more than Weinberg. “In the main, Weinberg was the only person in the industry who Fowler had direct contact with,” one former staffer says.

* * *

Today, another financial scandal looms, and this one could be bigger. It involves the United Kingdom’s occupational schemes, long the backbone of retirement provision (they are the British equivalent of traditional U.S. pension plans).

The drop in real interest rates and the accompanying disappearance in high returns on equities have left most British occupational pension schemes in deficit. Employers sponsoring some 70 percent of all defined-benefit plans -- in which the retirement pay is a percentage of the final salary -- have shut their doors to new members. Instead, as with American 401(k) plans, employers are offering defined-contribution plans in which company contributions, per worker, are very much lower than those of the schemes they replace. They’re unlikely to ever deliver anything like the old-style retirement benefits. What has made this abandonment particularly acute is that the United Kingdom was so confident of the strength of its occupational plans that Tory and Labour governments alike insisted that no insurance scheme would be necessary.

But the crisis within the occupational pension system has laid bare just how inadequate Britain’s public pension schemes have been. Now, some 65,000 British workers have lost all or part of their pensions as a wave of insolvent employers are discovered to have left their pension schemes severely underfunded. Some do not even have the cash to pay the GMPs that were promised in exchange for tax rebates. A 1995 attempt at reform fizzled. Those who have lost out have discovered that they have nothing to fall back on except the basic state pension, which is now so miserly because of changes put in place during the first year of the Thatcher reign that those relying solely upon it for their retirement income are defined as destitute. And that GMP, which was meant to supplement the basic state pension? “The Guaranteed Minimum Pension turned out to be neither guaranteed nor a minimum,” says Ros Altmann of the London School of Economics. “These people would have been better off keeping their money under the mattress.”

This, then, is the situation in Britain today:

# According to the Department for Work and Pensions, in 2004 alone, 500,000 people abandoned private pensions and moved back into the state system. Government actuaries expect another 250,000 to contract back in this year.

# In 2004, the Association of British Insurers, the trade association representing the companies that sell the private accounts, made a collective decision not to risk any more allegations of mis-selling. It urged all of its member firms to warn those who had taken tax rebates to open private accounts that they might have made a bad choice. The advice was particularly aimed at older workers with fewer years until retirement.

# Many insurance companies -- the sellers of the private accounts -- have been writing their customers urging them to contract back in to the state system.

# And, of course, even the U.K. version of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has endorsed the idea of raising taxes to increase benefit levels.

* * *

Pension policy threatens to become a key issue in the British elections in May. To be fair, the United Kingdom is hardly alone in facing a pension crisis. With sharp increases in life expectancy among the elderly and plunging fertility rates, every nation in the world will face similar challenges. Moreover, the demographic patterns are similar even in less-developed nations; Mexico, for instance, is forecast to have old-age life expectancy similar to that of the United States in a few decades’ time.

But whatever the solution to that challenge, there is little disagreement within the United Kingdom that the path chosen by successive governments over the past 25 years is not the right one. The Pensions Commission recently completed the most comprehensive review ever of the U.K. system and concluded that there are only four possible solutions for the difficulties ahead: cutting state retirement benefits, increasing taxes, increasing savings, or delaying retirement. While noting that there is no political support for the first choice, the commission concluded that each of the three other choices, on its own, is too painful. Only some combination of them is likely to help Britain’s elderly obtain retirement with dignity. Adair Turner, chairman of the commission, a vice chairman of Merrill Lynch in London, and the former director general of the United Kingdom’s biggest business lobbying group, says, “There are no other choices.”

And so, at the exact moment that America contemplates replicating this disaster, many in Britain -- some conservatives included -- are looking more and more kindly on American Social Security as a model for reform. The National Association of Pension Funds, a group of employers who sponsor the nation’s largest schemes, is urging government not to expect the private sector to shoulder the burden of keeping the nation’s elderly from poverty. Chief executive Christine Farnish notes that it’s “actually cheaper for the state to carry the risk,” adding that in looking for a system that offers the best combination of modest guaranteed retirement benefits delivered at low cost, the U.S. Social Security program seems the best model. “It doesn’t have to make a profit, and it delivers efficiencies of scale that most companies would die for,” she says.

And that is how the British eye, wearied after beholding decades of privatization “reform,” views the American system, which has served the United States so remarkably well for seven decades but which supposedly is now in dire crisis and must be overhauled by the time the forsythia bloom. It’s a point of view Americans would do well to take in.

Norma Cohen is senior corporate reporter at the Financial Times and is currently responsible for coverage of pension issues. This article was made possible by a grant from the Center for American Progress.

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Last time we talked, your alternative to a partially-privatized system in the US was to maintain the current benefit level and simply pay the higher taxes necessary to finance them. Even bearing in mind that this would likely require a doubling of total individual tax burdens by 2025. Do I take it this is still your proposal?

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A 'doubling of individual tax burdens by 2025' doesn't mean much in itself, as a statement. Are you talking about a doubling in absolute terms (2004 dollars, say), a doubling in percentage of income paid as tax, or a doubling in dollar terms? Not a hostile question, I just can't analyse it unless I know what it means.

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It's funny, but I don't recognise the British system being portrayed above.

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*snip genius*


I mean, that the value of my future tax dollar, or percentage thereof, is complicated.

Even generalised taxation figures. If I drive 20 miles a week, gas taxation won't really hurt me. If I travel to every Apple store opening, gas prices will hurt me, any tax on computers will hurt me, and any proposed 'moron tax'* will hurt me.

*At last, a solution to the federal budget deficit. Of course, this is any president's key constituency. It may never happen**.

**It won't ever happen.

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Ahem,
First, I was wondering if these articles contain an accurate reading of British issues by asking the Brits. I wasn't engaging into a discussion on American Social Security policy and the plans for elimin...er... changeing the fundementals of the program in this thread.

Second, projections on social security from the NRO are not what I consider sound ones without malice.

Third, the costs incurred by partial privatization where supposed to be bourn by the humongous surplus the government had in 2000. I know of this because I read Paul O'Neil's projections.

quote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain592330.shtml
The president had promised to cut taxes, and he did. Within six months of taking office, he pushed a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts through Congress.
But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

“Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand,” says Suskind. “He says, ‘You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.’ … O'Neill is speechless.”

”It was not just about not wanting the tax cut. It was about how to use the nation's resources to improve the condition of our society,” says O’Neill. “And I thought the weight of working on Social Security and fundamental tax reform was a lot more important than a tax reduction.”

Did he think it was irresponsible? “Well, it's for sure not what I would have done,” says O’Neill.



The transition costs alone are estimated at between 1-2 trillion dollars (1 trillion as a base figure does not fill one with confidence) for a system which does not guarantee any savings but increases risk to the system. Combine that with the loss of governement surplus/revenue from tax cuts, which forces the nation to borrow for these transition costs, and partial privatization looks pretty stupid - especially with these yahoos in charge. We already have partial privatized retirement plans. They're called 401K's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29.
The only difference between those and the partial privatized plans NRO and company are cooking up is that partial privatization diverts payroll tax from a sound government program, into private investments.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...nited_States%29
Social Security tax

Benefits are funded via a Social Security Payroll tax. This tax is 6.2% of an employee's income paid directly by the employer, and 6.2% deducted from the employee's paycheck, yielding an effective rate of 12.4% of an employee's income. Self-employed people are responsible for the entire tax. This tax is paid only on the employee's first $90,000 (in 2005) of income, beyond which the employee is only responsible for the Medicare portion of the FICA tax rate (1.45% in 2005), although that cutoff increases yearly, indexed to inflation....

Privatization

The commission appointed by Bush issued a report in 2001 that described three possible models for a change based on partial privatization:

* Two percent of taxable wages would be placed into private accounts for investment (likely in stocks), with the rest of the system unchanged.
* Four percent of taxable wages, up to $1000, would be placed into private accounts for investment.
* One percent of wages would be placed into retirement accounts, and 2.5% would be invested.

Other proposals for privatization range from those initially suggested by Republican candidates in 2000, which involved setting aside an initially small percentage of each worker's payroll tax in a 'lockbox', which the worker would be allowed to invest in securities, to proposals which eliminate the Social Security payroll tax completely for workers born after a certain date and allow workers of different ages different amounts of time for which they could opt to not pay the payroll tax, in exchange for a proportional delay in their receipt of payouts.



Why do we need that? If it takes a few percentage point raises on the payroll tax or, god forbid, a repeal of tax cuts on dividends, corporations, and the rich, then why not do that instead of tipping the boat of sound economic policy until it flips?

Fourth, a lot of busy stuff has been posted in here.
http://www.asylumnation.com/asylum/...3/index.html?s=
including how the crisis in medicare and medicaid are looming much higher than the triffles in social security. And some interesting stuff about the FDA too.

And no, I don't mean these guys.
http://newgrounds.com/fda/taint.html

fifth,
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Even bearing in mind that this would likely require a doubling of total individual tax burdens by 2025.


Doubling of what tax? Payroll tax? Gas tax? Cigarette Tax? Tax on Dividends? Income Tax? Luxuries Tax? All of them?
No, I believe you mean the doubling of the tax that funds Social Security, the pay roll tax, which is one way to keep the system solvent. There are other solutions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comme...smith010603.asp

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It's funny, but I don't recognise the British system being portrayed above.



Sorry to trouble you then. What's the discrepencies?

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The numbers again:

Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security spending currently has $745 billion in annual outlays, 6.9% of GDP.

The Congressional Budget Office says that in ten years spending on these items doubles to $1.5 trillion annually. The payroll tax doesn't even come close to covering current expenditures, much less those increases. In fact, the $750 billion increase would require an across-the-board increase of 30-40% in ALL federal taxes just to cover the gap.

By 2030, the outlay figure reaches 14% of projected GDP, which is a higher percentage of the economy than the entire current federal budget. What this means in terms of tax burden depends, of course, on what programs the government chooses to cut, but assuming constant spending in other areas the increase in overall tax rates would be something in the neighborhood of 120%...so your marginal income tax rate more than doubles. If we were to abolish the US military, we could reduce the marginal tax rate increase to a mere 90% or so. Put another way: one in every six dollars produced in the United States would go directly into these three programs.

One criticism of opponents of a partial privatization scheme--John Kerry, for instance--is that they offer no alternative that would avert this fiasco. This cannot be said of thimbles, who, if I understood his proposal correctly, suggested in the "cut the bullshit on entitlements" thread that we bite the bullet and pay the taxes, like they do in continental europe. I'm curious if I'm misunderstanding his position.

At any rate, that's more or less what this boils down to financially. If you don't partially privatize or find a third alternative, you get to double your overall contributions to Uncle Sam to pay for grandpa's retirement. The effects on consumption, savings, and economic growth altogether are, needless to say, cataclysmic. Some will find that preferable to a market solution, I suppose, but I'm not among them.

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The problem with privatisation is that that money has to come from somewhere, so there is no reduction in the expenditure, unless you expect the stock market to behave well. It seems to me that the public are not ready to see the stupid starve, so those who don't invest, what of them? If you make it compulsory, it is still, basically, a tax.

The government does need to find some solution to the extraordinary cost of Medicare. I would imagine that people will have to work longer before they get it, which will increase government revenues and also reduce Medicare expenditure, but that won't be enough in itself (same will be true of social security). There is apparently a ceiling on social security contributions; it may be that that could be removed, although it is a 'soak the rich' solution. If the solution is something like privatisation, the public needs to be prepared a little first, I think. Catastrophe cerainly does loom large, though, if nothing is done. Bush's problem is that his re-election didn't really come with a mandate for this (it wasn't what most voters were thinking about, I don't think, so much as security and the nebulous 'values') so he has to make the case pretty well and use transparent uncooked figures.

Jr, in your post, you say that 14% of GDP is bigger than the current federal budget. It seems to me that the proposed 2005 federal budget of 2.4 trillion (including increase in discretionary spending of 4.1%; discretionary spending now makes up some 7.4% of GDP) is, in fact, over 20% of the American GDP (2004 figure, in any case, was 11 trillion, according to the CIA Factbook). About 3.3% of this budget is proposed to be unfunded, so some 'no deficit' budget might still be about 18.5% of GDP. Where did you get your figures from?

When you are giving figures for future spending, say, $1.5 trillion annually in 10 years, are those inflation adjusted, or in '2004 dollars', or what? 1.5 trillion dollars won't be worth in 2015 what it is today.

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Jr, in your post, you say that 14% of GDP is bigger than the current federal budget. It seems to me that the proposed 2005 federal budget of 2.4 trillion (including increase in discretionary spending of 4.1%; discretionary spending now makes up some 7.4% of GDP) is, in fact, over 20% of the American GDP (2004 figure, in any case, was 11 trillion, according to the CIA Factbook). About 3.3% of this budget is proposed to be unfunded, so some 'no deficit' budget might still be about 18.5% of GDP. Where did you get your figures from?

When you are giving figures for future spending, say, $1.5 trillion annually in 10 years, are those inflation adjusted, or in '2004 dollars', or what? 1.5 trillion dollars won't be worth in 2015 what it is today.



Legit questions. The figures, percentages, and comparisons are from the Congressional Budget Office. Can't speak to inflation adjustment or the specific matter of the 14% business; I trust it's clear that I'm not trying to fudge this in any case.

The larger point that the existing system cannot survive the entitlements crunch is proven, I think, in any case. Many reforms in the system will be necessary; raising the age for benefit eligibility, means testing, adjustment of the ceiling, and a variety of others will make a dent. Long-term, though, the system has to earn a higher return on the original contributions to be sustainable, and in that respect I don't know what alternatives to at least partial privatization exist.

We CAN choose not to reform the system. If we do that, we will suffer either the absolute gutting of all other government spending or the largest tax increases, by far, in American history. Some people may find that the least undesirable alternative. In any case, though, those who oppose reforms ought to either present alternatives or accept advocacy for the inevitable.

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Yeah, not accusing you of any malfeasance, We both agree that the current system is fucked in the long term, as do most people in both parties. The politicos, however, don't agree on how soon it will happen and, thus, what actions must be taken now, which is why there is a confusion of figures bandied about. I don't know enough to judge when it is going to happen, myself.

It is somewhat ironic that Bush lumbers you all with an increased medicare bill (a pharmcom wet dream, to boot) and then starts to worry about the future cost of entitlement programs.

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Sorry to trouble you then. What's the discrepencies?


the whole notion and manner in which the inference has been made that "Social Security" was "privatised" under Thatcher. It's seems to me to be a somewhat twisted view, but perhaps that is the case because the guy that wrote it was doing so for an american audience and trying to make a comparison.

For a start there is a state pension system in the UK. What came out of the Thatcher years was the opportunity to say to the state "I want you to put my money in to a private pension rather than the state being steward over it". This was called "Contracting out of SERPS" (SERPS being the State Earnings Related Pension Scheme). This money basically is part of your National Insurance contributions (a form of tax on your whole pay packet) which you get back and invest in your own pension rather than the state scheme. You do not have to do that though, you can remain contracted in, and you can change as mich as you like. As it happens right now, I have just contracted out again after a numberof years of being contracted in because of tax changes.

One of the other things that Thatcher did was change the wayy the state pension is calculated. It used to be that the penison you received from the state was one that was linked to earnings. In other words as the average earnings in the country went up, so did your pension, and your initial pension at retirement was dircetly related to the amount you earned (per week) when you retired. Now it is not linked to earnings it is linked to prices. This has cause a significant reduction int he amount of money being gi