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tojo
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Do people change?

I don't know if there has been a topic about this recently. I honestly wouldn't know how to begin to find out. I am pretty new at this. I just found out something really disturbing and thought I might ask some opinions.

See, there is this guy that I am really good friends with. He has a huge thing for me, it is obvious to everyone and he doesn't deny it. We talk about pretty much everything. He tells me secrets about his past and confides in me. I do the same with him. He is so not my type. He knows this and accepts it. I am very trusting of this guy. I know he has had a violent past, but from what I see....all that is behind him. I am friends with many of the cops in my town. One of the cops informed me tonight that he was arrested when he was 18, four years ago, fir molesting a 2 yr old girl. I have never thought about leaving my kids alone with him, but if the need be, I never would have second guessed that before tonight. So, the question is, do people change? Is it possible that he has this out of his system? I can't really say anything to him because I would then get my cop friend in trouble. How do I go about adressing the situation? Sorry, more than one question. Any suggestions?

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On the one hand, arrested does not mean charged, nor does it mean guilty. OTOH, I wouldn't leave one of my kids alone with him for a second if I were unsure (if I had kids). You come up with the damnedest questions. Can't you just ask us if we've seen any good movies or can recommend some newfangled gadgets you can experiment with?

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tojo
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well, Have you seen any good movies?

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People rarely change but behaviors often can.

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tojo
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Sorry, just figure if I am gonna ask, I might as well have a purpose. I am not too creative of a person, so I figure I would let the people who are ask the questions and when I feel the need for some opnions, then I would ask.

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I agree with Paint. Even people's behaviors don't change unless they are highly self-motivated. When people do change, it is over time and not in ways anyone might predict or can control.

*and no, haven't seen any good movies or bought any exciting gadgets lately.

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quote:
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well, Have you seen any good movies?


I suggest taking your friend to see The Woodsman.

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Re: Do people change?

quote:
Originally posted by tojo
How do I go about adressing the situation?


Slip child molestation into the conversation one night, try to do it in an inconspicuous manner, like maybe first hang a Gary Glitter poster on the wall of your lounge.

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Re: Do people change?

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He is so not my type.

And you are not his. Get a girlfriend and a clue.

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quote:
Originally posted by skalie
*skalie stuff*


If she's going to do that she might as well wait for a pregnant pause in the conversation and blurt out, "So, when was the last time you molested a minor?"

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In that case ask him to baby-sit and hide in the closet.

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Assume he is dangerous around yer kid since its better to be safe than sore arsed.

Even if he has changed he could always change back. Why put that kinda temptation in front of him.

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Where are the facts? How do you know that the fellow actually did anything wrong? The cop that told you the info, have you thought that he may have a grudge against your friend? They might be jealous, they maybe spreading unsubstantiated rumours about him. I think you'll just have to ask him upfront and get it out in the open and let yourself know where you stand.

And if he is a fiddler, cut his balls off and feed them to the pigs.

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I wouldn't ask him anything and I wouldn't ever leave my kids with him, ever. 4 years is not "in the past, that's yesterday.
To bring it up is to invite a lie and then what would you do? Continue to hang around him?

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Parent martyrs unite!

This would be a bad time to generalize on how people change methinks. Also, a lot of people act on how they are treated. Confidence can be a moral booster, like 'I dont want to molest the kids of the only woman who treats me nice'... But like Dac said, better safe than martyr, so in emergencies, invite really cute kid decoys for him to molest instead.

Anyway, with a few well-placed lies it should be easy to find out where he stands.

1. "Man, people are really after that Jacko huh? So what if he did sleep with a few kids? I wouldn't have a problem with it personally - kids need grown ups to explore their sexuality."

2. "Hey wanna see some really funny pics of my kids in the bath?"

I'm sure all you backstabbers have better ones.

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quote:
Originally posted by Paint CHiPs
People rarely change but behaviors often can.


I knew you were gonna say that.

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Molesters do not change.
Simply castarate him, then hes safe for baby sitting. Youve said hes not your type, so he dont need his ' bits' as far as you are concerned.
And if you are wrong, just claim you did it on mis-information, hell, Dubya can invade a country on that one alone, so a simple ' snip' should be a snip. Get it ?

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quote:
Originally posted by WCA
Molesters do not change.
Simply castarate him, then hes safe for baby sitting. Youve said hes not your type, so he dont need his ' bits' as far as you are concerned.
And if you are wrong, just claim you did it on mis-information, hell, Dubya can invade a country on that one alone, so a simple ' snip' should be a snip. Get it ?



Such an enlightening post. Sexuality is less physical than it is mental. Castrating him still leaves his cock, his tongue, his fingers, his toes, etc. They are all potential sexual tools. Hell, I can attest from personal knowledge that the stump of an amputated limb can be a sexual tool.

Castration changes nothing significant. Therapy, if in fact this man has been guilty of the alleged act, might.

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quote:
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Hell, I can attest from personal knowledge that the stump of an amputated limb can be a sexual tool.


You get a [P] for that one, SS.

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quote:
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Castration changes nothing significant. Therapy, if in fact this man has been guilty of the alleged act, might.



I don't think a truly effective one has been discovered (for pedophilia, anyway). Less so for the desires than the behaviors, in particular.

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I don't think a truly effective one has been discovered (for pedophilia, anyway). Less so for the desires than the behaviors, in particular.


I would agree. Behavior is what counts, however. Although the desires may never change, the outward expressed behavior can be changed by therapy and education.

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The "therapies" are often pretty nasty. Aversion, for instance.

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Why would you even take the chance? The person was already not your 'type.' Just give them the freeze out and move on.

Some states now have on-line criminal history look-ups (in Michigan you can see the record of anyone who has been in the State corrections system), you could see if there is something similar in your area. (Although if he was convicted it probably is not likely that he'd be out already, I would think. Also in this type of case he'd be listed in a sex offender registry, which is probably more easily available than general criminal history).

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(in Michigan you can see the record of anyone who has been in the State corrections system)


Otherwise known as the Detroit census.

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