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BrainGate - Working Human Brain Implants

The BrainGate Neural Interface creates a direct link between a person's brain and a computer, translating neural activity into action. Matthew Nagle, without use of his limbs but fitted with a BrainGate, can now play a videogame or change channels on TV using only his mind. Here's how it works. - Greta Lorge

1. The chip: A 4-millimeter square silicon chip studded with 100 hair-thin microelectrodes is embedded in Nagle's primary motor cortex - the region of the brain responsible for controlling movement.

2. The connector: When Nagle thinks "move cursor up and left" (toward email icon), his cortical neurons fire in a distinctive pattern; the signal is transmitted through the pedestal plug attached to his skull.

3. The converter: The signal travels to a shoebox-sized amplifier mounted on Nagle's wheelchair, where it's converted to optical data and bounced by fiber-optic cable to a computer.

4. The computer: BrainGate learns to associate patterns of brain activity with particular imagined movements - up, down, left, right - and to connect those movements to a cursor.


http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/brain.html

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You need a NeoRest interface.

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hmm...it occurs to me that a better use of this technology would be enabling him to use his brain to control the wheelchair, rather than a fucking computer cursor.
that, or installing it in the heads of fighter jocks. you can handle more G's when you don't have to hold your hands out in front of you like that.

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also, someone should introduce matthew nagle to everquest. then he can have a virtual life.

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For the crippled I think it's a great idea. The next step should definatly be to allow the guy to control his chair and perhaps other things around him.

Beyond that sort of use I'm not too enthusiastic. I don't really like the idea of people having chips in their heads. A "Thinking Cap" type interface however could have many uses as well as the pleasure of being able to take the device off.

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Strange Days style. There was a BME article about this posted on Fark the other day. The Coming Robot-Human Apocalypse.

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If they could reverse the direction, video games could give us orgasms.

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Man, I'm all for a chip in my head. Fuck you guys, plug me in.

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I also fully believe shit like this will be the next step in our evolution as a species, no matter what you think about it. I still have the link to the Meaning of Life in my profile.

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first meaningful step toward cyborgs, this is.

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Using it for fighter pilots is tricky right now; from what I know, the interface is not yet 100% accurate, and probably not fast enough. That's just a matter of time, though.
Controlling a wheelchair should be no problem, and I agree is a great idea. Prosthetics too, although that requires a finer degree of control.

Nothing inherently wrong with cyborgs; the notion that one loses emotional integrity with increasing implants has no particular evidence behind it, that I know of. On the other hand, I'm immune to EMPs at the moment; I'd hesitate before putting something in my head which could theoretically receive interference from a badly tuned radio.

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Pretty impressive article, though. The tech is a little farther along than I thought. I like that they noted that, while he started by thinking of moving the cursor with his hand, he now just moves the cursor. They're right; the cursor is now effectively a part of his body. Put a chip in the somatosensory cortex, and stimulate it the right way, and he should be able to "feel" hyperlinks, rather than just seeing the cursor change shape.

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quote:
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Nothing inherently wrong with cyborgs; the notion that one loses emotional integrity with increasing implants has no particular evidence behind it, that I know of.


something interesting to think about :

the brain has around 100 billion neurons. now lets slowly but surely swap out one of those neurons with an artificial one, which behaves and acts exactly like the one that was take away. The patient feels in no way different, his senses/thoughts/whatever work exactly the same as before.

now lets speed up the process and replace 100% of his neurons with artificial ones. is the patient still human? if not, at what stage did he stop being human?

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What if you have a seizure?
Where would the wheelchair go?
Or the airplane?

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Where would the wheelchair go?

Straight into the pool. The deep end.

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Depends on where the seizure was and where it spread. It might be possible to include seizure-detection routines which could temporarily diable the interface in such an event, though.

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quote:
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quote:
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something interesting to think about :

the brain has around 100 billion neurons. now lets slowly but surely swap out one of those neurons with an artificial one, which behaves and acts exactly like the one that was take away. The patient feels in no way different, his senses/thoughts/whatever work exactly the same as before.

now lets speed up the process and replace 100% of his neurons with artificial ones. is the patient still human? if not, at what stage did he stop being human?


Good questions. As far as I am concerned, to be "human" means to have a psychology which is understandable to other "humans". It's a pretty inclusive definition; I wouldn't have any particular problem including AIs, aliens, or cyborgs as "human" if we were capable of mutual understanding. If anyone has read the Ender's Game series beyond the first book, it falls under the "raman" classification.
One could also propose this as a definition of "person", with "human" being more restrictive psychologically, perhaps meaning possessing a worldview and thought processes similar to those of biological humans. I don't like that very much, though, given that I suspect that much of our worldview and psychology is driven by upbringing and circumstances, and varies widely between biological humans. This definition could easily become restrictive enough to classify some biological humans as nonhuman, and I don't like that.
Obviously, that's different from biologically "human", which I guess would mean having a DNA sequence within a certain range of variability and the ability to produce viable offspring with another human (at least in theory; sterility does not make one inhuman).

So in your particular instance, the person in question never stops being biologically human. If the artificial neurons end up producing a mind which is recognizable psychologically, then I would still classify the result as human, and probably as the same person as before.

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