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SimpleSimon
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"Phantom Limbs", anyone?

SLH showed me this article, and I have to tell you, it is fun. I've lived with a phantom limb these last 37 years, and it has definitely had its moments. Try this.

http://mindbluff.com/phantom.htm

Create a Fake Phantom Limb

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To experience this fascinating illusion, try the methods below (excerpted from Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran, M.D., Ph.D., and Sandra Blakeslee)...

You'll need two helpers (...call them Julie and Mina). Sit in a chair, blindfolded, and ask Julie to sit on another chair in front of you, facing the same direction as you are. Have Mina stand on your right side and give her the following instructions: "Take my right hand and guide my index finger to Julia's nose. Move my hand in a rhythmic manner so that my index finger repeatedly strokes and taps her nose in a random sequence like a Morse code. At the same time, use your left hand to stroke my nose with the same rhythm and timing. The stroking and tapping of my nose and Julia's nose should be in perfect synchrony."

After thirty or forty seconds, if you're lucky, you will develop the uncanny illusion that you are touching your nose out there or that your nose has been dislocated and stretched out about three feet in front of your face. The more random and unpredictable the stroking sequence, the more striking the illusion will be. This is an extraordinary illusion; why does it happen? [It is suggested that] your brain "notices" that the tapping and stroking sensations from your right index finger are perfectly synchronized with the strokes and taps felt on your nose. It then says, "The tapping on my nose is identical to the sensations on my right index finger; why are the two sequences identical? The likelihood that this is a coincidence is zero, and therefore the most probable explanation is that my finger must be tapping my nose. But I also know that my hand is two feet away from my face. So it follows that my nose must also be out there, two feet away."

[This experiment works on about fifty percent of people.] The astonishing thing is that it works at all -- that your certain knowledge that you have a normal nose, your image of your body and face constructed over a lifetime should be negated by just a few seconds of the right kind of sensory stimulation. This simple experiment shows [how malleable your body image is.]

The second illusion requires one helper and is even spookier. You'll need to go to a novelty or Halloween store to buy a dummy rubber hand. Then construct a two-foot by two-foot cardboard "wall" and place it on a table in front of you. Put your right hand behind the cardboard so that you cannot see it clearly. Next have your friend stroke identical locations on both your hand and the dummy hand synchronously while you look at the dummy. Within seconds you will experience the stroking sensation as arising from the dummy hand. The experience is uncanny, for you know perfectly well that you're looking at a disembodied rubber hand, but this doesn't prevent your brain from assigning sensation to it. The illusion illustrates, once again, how ephemeral your body image is and how easily it can be manipulated.

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FuhQall
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Bend over Dude, I want to install and configure a phantom "limb", don't forget the reach-around.

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Bend over yourself, shit licker.

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It's a two person endeavour, be a sport?

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Actually, it's a 3some, have a pet?

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Find your own play pretties.

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spoil-sport

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Cool. I love to do stuff like that (in case this is related to masturbating with a sleeping arm).

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wierd. It works.

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Re: "Phantom Limbs", anyone?

quote:
Originally posted by SimpleSimon
I've lived with a phantom limb these last 37 years, and it has definitely had its moments.


eunuch?

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Re: Re: "Phantom Limbs", anyone?

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eunuch?


heh
Let's just say that Simon has had 10 times the life experiences that you will ever have.
(his title speaks volumes)

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Re: Re: Re: "Phantom Limbs", anyone?

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Let's just say that Simon has had 10 times the life experiences that you will ever have.


You mean he has had sex dont you?

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Re: Re: Re: "Phantom Limbs", anyone?

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heh
Let's just say that Simon has had 10 times the life experiences that you will ever have.
(his title speaks volumes)



for those that don't know, simplesimon fought against peter pan, a worthy adversary

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and it's a damn good thing Peter Pan can fly, it helps avoid the hamstringing and makes avoiding loafers a damned side easier.

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Re: Re: "Phantom Limbs", anyone?

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Originally posted by Avondale
eunuch?


Eunuch? No.

Amputee? Yes.

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You aren't feeling a tail. Try wiping better.

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Prioperception is cool stuff...

Simon, I dont know if youve ever read it but 'The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat' is a good book that has some case studies of this phenomenon(as well as a bunch of other wierd case studies). Ill send it to you if you cant be arsed to find it yourself.

A trick me and my friends used to do when we got all fucked up(when I was a kid) was one of us would lay on the floor face down with eyes closed and extend their arms straight out above their head and relax them completely(the grabbee) and you have another person stand in front of them(the grabber) and grab the person on the floors wrists. The grabber then raises the grabbees arms about a foot or so from the floor(depending on flexibility, basically you just want to put some tension on the shoulder muscles) making sure to keep the arms straight but not to lift the person off the floor. The grabber holds the arms in this exact position for a good 2 minutes and then slowly and without warning begins to lower the arms down towards the ground without letting them touch the floor. The grabbee will feel as if their arms are passing through the floor!! We called it 'arms through the floor' but Im sure it has other names.

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I've heard of the book, never read it. My finances are such that if I can't borrow the book from the library I will not read it. So, by all means, forward it.

There are lots of proprioception exchange exercises one can do, some are quite interesting. A variant of the phantom arm described in the article quoted above results in a phantom foot/leg sensation - if you try that one be very careful on getting up from your chair as you are likely to land in a heap on the floor when your mind trys to move a foot three feet away.

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