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Touch
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Registered: Jul 2000
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Well it's that time of year again. I'm on holidays. Long days spent doing nothing but wasting time and thinking about nothing. How much fun it will be.

With another year of education behind me I have to wonder what to do next. As I see it now I have several options, but I'm stuck as where to go from here.

That's where you wonderful, clever people come in. Help me. Advise me. Steer me.

I still have one more year to go at college. Basically I have one more year before I really have to make it count. I have that year as a safety buffer, but after that year is up it's going to be crunch time.

Future careers
a) Become a bum, a hippy. I would be unemployed, leech on society. While fun I doubt that my parents would support me forever.
b) Police officer, pillar of the community and authority figure. Don't laugh. I could do it, it's always held a certain fascination to me. While my friends will all laugh and make fun at me I don't much care. I've got the physical fitness and the dedication. Plus I do really enjoy bossing people around and those handcuffs could come in great for some kinky sex.
c) Finally, get a real future. I'm currently majoring in english and philosophy. I've been talking to career advisors and it looks as though I could go on to university, put in the hard work and after several years either burn out or come out of the experience with a doctorate in philosophy. With a nice looking piece of paper like that I could really get places. It'd be hard, fucking hard. Yet if what people tell me is true, I should be up to the challenge. Apparently I do have some brains.

So while a) is the easiest option, and b) perhaps the most likely, I would much rather choose c). It appeals to me the most, and who doesn't want to stick 'Doctor' in front of their name?

What do you guys think?
Please can I have some real answers here? Please something more than a couple of disinterested replies before this thread sinks to the bottom of the forum, or is that too much to ask?

Thanks for your time.
I'll be around for awhile yet.
IM ON HOLIDAYS!!
*dances around the forum naked*

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Chantrea
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I would say pick "C". You already know how tough it will be, but the outcome & sense of pride you'll have when you're all through, will make it worth while.

But that's just my opinion, and I don't know you very well.

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Touch
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quote:
Originally posted by Chantrea:
I don't know you very well



That's ok, I forgive you

Thanks anyway.


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Chantrea
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No problem, and good luck whatever you decide to do.

*shakes Touch's hand & curtsies like a dork*

Alright, time for sleep. Good luck again.

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Paint CHiPs
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quote:
Originally posted by Touch:

a) Become a bum, a hippy. I would be unemployed, leech on society.




Hasn't failed me yet.

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Spaceboy
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Are we going to walk you through your life?

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Nutrimentia
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Touch-

If you are like me (highly unlikely but what the hell), you know what you want to, need to, should do, but you are looking for some support to help you make the decision. I myself am on the "C" track. The biggest thing to be aware of is that it is very difficult to achieve the terminal degree (what a name huh?) unless you are studying something you actually like. Correction, actually love. I love studying culture and mind and psychology and evolution and anthropology. Studies aren't so tough for me, precisely because I enjoy them. If you like philosophy, go for it. I really like grad school. Far better than the mind numbing shit you have to put up with as an undergrad.

Go for the full degree. You will regret it at some point or another I suspect. Worst case you can always be a bum or a pig later on.

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Being a police officer involves taking drug tests. That's a no-no. Being a bum is no fun - you get poor and people look down on you. Whereas, being a Doctor of Philosophy, you can swindle girls into bed with your superior intellect and money, buy a speedy car, talk all snooty-like at people, and still be afforded leeway to do handful of yummy, yummy drugs.

My psychology prof goes on about his drug experiences for half the class sometimes. It's grrrreat. I suspect he also eats cat food, because his breath is horrible.

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Pangloss
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quote:
Originally posted by Touch:
Future careers

c) Finally, get a real future. I'm currently majoring in english and philosophy. I've been talking to career advisors and it looks as though I could go on to university, put in the hard work and after several years either burn out or come out of the experience with a doctorate in philosophy. With a nice looking piece of paper like that I could really get places. It'd be hard, fucking hard. Yet if what people tell me is true, I should be up to the challenge. Apparently I do have some brains.

So while a) is the easiest option, and b) perhaps the most likely, I would much rather choose c). It appeals to me the most, and who doesn't want to stick 'Doctor' in front of their name?

What do you guys think?



You don't need to be eligible to join mensa to do a PhD., no matter what you have heard. I'm in my final year (third) of research for mine, so this is the voice of experience speaking. Granted, I've not yet got mine, but I hope to before September 2001, which is when my funding runs out.

You don't need lots of brains. What you do need is passion, enthusiasm, stamina, the ability to work alone and the ability to see yourself through some dark times.

Working for a PhD. is a lonely experience at times. For the first 18 months you will wander around with your head up your ass. When you find your feet you'll begin working on whatever subject you've picked / wandered into. It's the second half which is the hardest. You've read what's been said and you know what everyone else knows about it. You get the Doctorate by pushing back the frontiers of knowledge, providing some significant contribution to the body of knowledge in your field. Theoretically, you are already an expert in your immediate area and no one else can really help you. No one else has the answers. If they did, it wouldn't be research.

Perhaps all of the above is a little science/research orientated. I know that research in the humanities is much different, but my original points remain.

You should also be aware that having a PhD. is not necessarily going to give you a skeleton key to your dream job. If your research is directly relevant to your job, that's wonderful. Having a PhD. in English Literature or some branch of pure or applied Philosophy may not be so desirable. Indeed, many employers looking for some bright lad to work in a heavily structured 'team' environment might see the PhD. guy as being too used to working in his own way, by himself. Another negative point is that many employers might see Dr. Touch as being undesirable because he is a smart lad who enjoys the challenges of new material and there is no way they could keep his mind occupied.

And so on.

There are, of course, employers who will jump at the chance to get their hands on the guy who has shown commitment and a love of learning. There are as many positive points to doing a Doctorate as there are negative issues. You should think them all through very carefully before you decide and ask yourself why you really want to do it. If "because I really love this area of academic study" is not in your 'for' list, I would advise against it. Without a deep commitment to your area, you won't make it. Or, you will come very close to killing yourself over it. Trust me, I have seen people like this with my own two eyes.

My advice to you would be to register initially for a 1 year Master of Philosophy degree. Talk with your supervisor(s) after you have done 6 months work and see if there is the will (on your part as well as theirs) to take it on to PhD. That's what I did, and lookie where I am now.

Also bear in mind that close to the end of your second year you'll find some internet site which distracts you too much and from which you have to wean yourself off if you are to stand a snowflake's chance in hell of getting finished on time. Still, at least you get the chance to play the sage old wizard every now and then to some young turk who reminds you of yourself....

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well I failed my degree, but if i can offer any advice whatsoever, it si to keep learning. It is important that whatever field of study you choose, whatever job you take, that you keep learning, keep interested and keep active.

Dont get stuck in an easy job, that doens't exercise your brain, you need to be a ble to think, and for some people, studying towards higher and higher academic status is the way they achieve it, some do it thought a job wehere you care continually developing and growing. The peopel that can't just do easy day to day jobs that require little thought, and hard work, or are the bums.

choose something where you stand to learn


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JoeyCat
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Well Touch, I went to work right out of highschool. Waited tables for a few years, then went into the car business. Go to school, unless you really want to end up like me *gasp*

XOXO

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Agoust
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Ask me in 10 years how I'm feeling, but I love the fact that I'm working in academia. I'll defend my Ph.D. at the end of February and have been teaching full time since 1997. The pay is so-so, but no one goes into this profession for the money. I treasure having a great deal of time to think, read, process, research, and teach. But more: I love the contact with my students; I learn *so* much from them.

As Pangloss suggested, I'd highly recommend that you begin with a Master's program; make sure the program includes the writing of a thesis. The thesis will give you a taste for original research and the loneliness that accompanies the writing process. Think of the thesis as a sort of precursor to the dissertation, where countless folks falter. It takes discipline to complete, and many folks don't have this focus.

With that said, I can't wait to put graduate school officially behind me. There's a saying: the only good dissertation is a done dissertation.

*off to wrestle with footnote formatting*

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Agoust
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And that was post number 500.

*bows*

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