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Abortion back on the agenda in the UK

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Abortion back on the agenda in the UK


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1. On the whole "wedge issue" thing--in America the Right brings up controversial issues and the Left, whose position is well known, can only say "Er. We prefer not to talk about that. It's controversial." Probably because while in public Liberal politicians talk one line, in reality the party line on this issue is unlimited license for abortion, at any time, with no need for anyone's consent but the mother's. Most of America seems to have a problem with this and I think their reluctance to sell their vision is why the Democrats are in the worst position they have been since 1980.

2. The position of that law seems to say that the fetus is a human being and thus deserving of all that medical artifice can bring to bear, so long as it can survive without the mother. I remember asking people a while back what should happen when, in the future, a mere fertilized ovum can be brought to term outside of the womb thanks to advanced medical science? No more abortions allowed? Furthermore, doesn't this kind of utilitarianism leave a bad taste in your mouth? If survivability is the issue, then would these same doctors assist a newborn if it was unable to feed itself? What happens when you're old--will they refuse to perform a lifesaving surgey since you're "...just going to die soon anyway?" Where are the lines drawn, and according to what principle?

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The position of that law seems to say that the fetus is a human being and thus deserving of all that medical artifice can bring to bear, so long as it can survive without the mother.


Actually it doesn't say that at all. It merely states that should a child be able to survive it is contained viable. There are exclusions to the laws relating to danger toward the life of the mother i.e. you can abort a child legally if the mothers life is in danger. It is not about some metaphysical defintion of "human being", it is about clincal possibilities. The law was drawn up in a manner deliberately to avoid such a defintional type stance.


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I remember asking people a while back what should happen when, in the future, a mere fertilized ovum can be brought to term outside of the womb thanks to advanced medical science?



It;s not the first time it has changed in Britain. It was 28 weeks until 1990 when it was reduced to 24.

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Furthermore, doesn't this kind of utilitarianism leave a bad taste in your mouth?


no.

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If survivability is the issue, then would these same doctors assist a newborn if it was unable to feed itself?


A newborn baby is not an unborn baby and is therefore not covered by the legislative provisions contained within the Abortion Act 1967 (ammended 1990). As such the argument of survivability (through appeal to the Abrotion Act) is not a valid one anyway.

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What happens when you're old--will they refuse to perform a lifesaving surgey since you're "...just going to die soon anyway?" Where are the lines drawn, and according to what principle?


The lines are drawn in the definition of the legislation squee. The underlying assumptions and arguments within the Abortion Act apply only to the defintions defined winthin the Abortion Act. They cannot be used to claim precedence on some issue of euthanasia with old people because the scope of the Act is meticulously defined so that such inferences cannot be made.

As such your point - whilst a nice piece of "what if" theoretical rambling - is moot because the law is very clear.

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