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NASA Gears Up for Fourth of July 'Fireworks' in Space

By Guy Gugliotta, Washington Post Staff Writer Sun Jul 3, 1:00 AM ET

NASA has set up an Independence Day traffic accident in space, deliberately crashing an 820-pound spacecraft into an onrushing comet. The resulting impact should provide scientists with their best glimpse yet of what the solar system was made of when it was formed 4.5 billion years ago.

At 1:52 a.m. Eastern time tomorrow, barring a last-minute mishap, comet Tempel 1, a lumpy, Manhattan Island-size potato hurtling through space at 66,000 mph, will overtake the 820-pound "impactor" dropped off in its path by a NASA spacecraft poking along at 43,000 mph.

The mission is fittingly dubbed "Deep Impact." Think of it as a bee smacking into the windshield of an 18-wheeler. Or a prairie dog being trampled by a herd of stampeding buffalo. Or a seagull walloped by the leading edge of a hurricane.

This cataclysmic rendezvous will produce an explosive force equivalent to that of 4.5 tons of dynamite, causing the impactor to punch a crater in the comet -- maybe as big as a football stadium, maybe much smaller, maybe shallow, maybe deep. A cloud of dust and ice will fly into the heavens.

The spacecraft -- stationed a prudent 310 miles away -- will watch and photograph the fireworks, as will NASA's space-based Hubble, Chandra and Spitzer telescopes, a network of ground-based telescopes and thousands of amateur astronomers around the world. The European Space Agency's Rosetta spacecraft, en route to its own 2014 encounter with a comet, will also be watching.

"We don't know what to expect," said University of Maryland astronomer Michael F. A'Hearn, who leads the Deep Impact mission. "It's possible that the change will be so small you can only see it with a four-meter telescope. Or you could see it with binoculars. Those are the two extremes."

For any stargazer west of the Mississippi River, Deep Impact could be quite a show. The flash will occur in the southeastern sky to the left of Jupiter and a few degrees above Spica in the constellation Virgo. Alas, it will take place below the horizon for would-be observers in the D.C. area.

The $333 million mission, directed from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, was launched Jan. 12 on a course to intercept Tempel 1 about 83 million miles away -- just about on the line that Mars follows as it orbits the sun.

The 1,325-pound spacecraft, built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp. of Boulder, Colo., has performed almost flawlessly. Engineers detected a blurriness in one of its cameras early in the mission, but they compensated by mathematically sharpening its images. "In fact, we get somewhat better quality than before," said JPL's Rick Grammier, the Deep Impact project manager.

More recently, and potentially more problematic for the mission's outcome, the comet on June 14 and June 22 had sudden outbursts, brightening dramatically as clouds of gas and dust exploded from it.

A'Hearn said the light dissipated rapidly, suggesting that most of the ejected material was water ice and other frozen material that vaporized almost immediately in the sun's rays, along with dark-colored dust that did not reflect light.

"The real question is what causes the outbursts," A'Hearn said in a telephone interview. "My hunch is that there are pockets of unusually volatile ices inside the comet, and when the heat gets down below the surface, the gas suddenly vaporizes and blows a hole, ejecting the gas and whatever's above it."

This phenomenon would simply be a fascinating curiosity, except that the impactor is supposed to home in on its target with a camera tracking the brightest spot -- ordinarily the leading edge of the comet itself.

"If we're unlucky enough to have an outburst in the final two hours, it will change the solution" to intercept, because the impactor's navigation system will steer toward the burst of light, said Monte Henderson, deputy project manager for Ball Aerospace.

"But not enough," Henderson continued. "The most brightly lit area of the comet should [still] be the nucleus" of the comet itself.

Scientists believe comets date from the dawn of the solar system, formed from dust and gas that spread out from the young sun into distant orbits beyond the planets. Tempel 1, described by JPL astronomer and Deep Impact team member Donald K. Yeomans as a "jet black, pickle-shaped dirt ball," is a "short period" comet that migrated in from beyond Neptune, perhaps because its original orbit was perturbed by a passing star.

Because they have been so cold for so long, comets are largely the same as they were 4.5 billion years ago. Unlike planets and moons, comets are unbesmirched by volcanoes or meteors or erosion by wind, water or other weather.

But to get to the pristine content, scientists must have a way to punch through a surface that is cooking away in the heat of the sun, producing a vapor "coma" that surrounds it and trailing a "tail" of dust. Deep Impact is that tool.

The impactor, about the size of a washing machine, is capped by a 249-pound copper sphere -- the bullet that will penetrate the comet. The impactor has a camera that functions both as a navigation aid and as an imager that may be able to transmit photos until perhaps the last two seconds before the collision.

The mother spacecraft, about as big as a Volkswagen Beetle, will be positioned below the impactor to watch the crash. It carries high-resolution and medium-resolution cameras with filters that allow scientists to take pictures in various parts of the spectrum.

With all the help that the spacecraft will be getting from telescopes in space and on the ground, researchers are hoping for a river of data that will enable them to determine not only the comet's chemical composition, but also how it is put together.

If Tempel 1 is a "rubble pile" of rocky grains, dust and ices held together principally by gravity, the crater made by Deep Impact will likely be about the size and depth of a football stadium. If it has solid material, or a solid core, the impact burst will be "quick and small," Yeomans said, with the impactor's energy dissipating on the hard surface and leaving a shallower crater.

If the core is softer, "the impactor will act like a meteor," Yeomans continued, plunging into the guts of the comet until friction explodes it "like a Roman candle," producing a narrow but deep crater. Or the comet could simply swallow the impactor, engulfing it like a pillow "with almost no crater at all," he said.

In all, the Deep Impact team figures it will have 800 seconds to take images of the event from the time the impactor begins its final approach until Tempel zooms out of range of the sentinel spacecraft. NASA officials say the first images will be available well before dawn tomorrow, and a preliminary report on its success will come later in the day.



Prediction: The fucknuts at NASA will end up blowing that sucker apart and a chunk about the size of lower Manhattan will hit earth just off the coast of California at 11:47pm PST December 31, 2025.

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More likely to hit North Korea.

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I had a chance to maybe work on something related to this.

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I wish I had 333 million dollars to throw away.
So when they find out what comets are made of......what next?
I mean it's stupid. All they will have is pictures.
That's it.
Pictures.
It would be cool it they can net it before it hits orbit.
Then they would have something.
NASA is a bunch of fucking kids with unlimited funding playing games and having fun.

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I would say that finding out what comets are made of has two purposes. Firstly, just trying to work out how the solar system evolved and other matters relating to structure formation on that sort of scale. The other purpose would be relating to working out how to divert a comet that was considered likely to strike earth.

Of course, when a comet does come around on an earth-intersecting orbit, we're probably all going to die. But knowing more will give us any chance that we do eventually have.

Anyhow, this all makes a fuck of a lot more sense than Bush's planned Manned Mission to Mars, which is sucking the life out of a lot of other astronomical, cosmological and space science research.

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Yeah, I don't get the Mars thing at all. It seems to me that putting the money into robotics so that we could send one that could essentially do what a human body wrapped up in a snow suit from hell could do would make a lot more sense. Besides, with the success record that NASA has of crashi...landing shit on Mars it's gonna take a heavy-duty nutcases from their pool of wackos to fly the mission.

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it's gonna take a heavy-duty nutcases from their pool of wackos to fly the mission.


or any manned mission into space for that matter.

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You know, I read posts like those by LF, TT, Hawley, and others and I have to ask myself if they wouldn't be happier as feudal serfs. It is the acquisition of information, its analysis to form a knowledge pool, the application of said knowledge to create technology which has advanced our civilization.

The foundation is the acquisition of information.

LF, you gripe about the $333 million spent on this mission. We have, to date, spent $160 billion or more on Afghanistan and Iraq, to no good purpose as yet. The cost of this mission reprsents less than .25% of the costs of those misadventures, and won't cost more into the unforeseeable future. You complain that NASA is a bunch of kids spending unlimited (bullshit) amounts of money on their "games". You work in a facilty to maintain and enrich the lives of dysfunctional "persons", retards and developmentally disabled in various fashions. Whats the average cost of their care? Multiplied by what number to respresent the population of similar creatures nationwide? What I'd like to know is why bother? Why waste the money?

Are you aware that almost all modern medical technology exists because of the space program? Are you aware that had it not been for the needs of the space program that personal computers would almost certainly not exist? Are you aware the this 'net forum in which you gripe is the product of that application of knowledge I mentioned earlier, originated to facilitate communication amongst scientists?

Fuck it. The dollars invested in the manned space program have been returned many fold in technology directly improving the quality of peoples lives. LF, can you say the same of the money spent maintaining your retards?

As for why a manned space program at all, the answer is simple. Like the classic answer to the question "Why do you climb mountains?", the answer is "Because they are there."

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I don't have a bit of a problem with investing in space exploration and I completely support projects like Deep Impact. I am not sure where you got the idea that I don't. What I don't support is unecessarily sending humans to do what robots can do as well, if not better (and for less money), just to say we did it.

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I don't have a bit of a problem with investing in space exploration and I completely support projects like Deep Impact. I am not sure where you got the idea that I don't.


exactly what he said.

simon, are you having a bad day?

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Not a bad day at all.

We cannot at this time, nor do we have any reasonable expectcation of developing within the next decade or two the ability to, produce a robot with anything approaching human flexibility in a package as compact or as capable.

We cannot do the same jobs with robotic probes anywhere near as well, let alone better.

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As for why a manned space program at all, the answer is simple. Like the classic answer to the question "Why do you climb mountains?", the answer is "Because they are there."


The problem with the Manned Mission to Mars is that the money for it is being cut from other projects, projects that are providing far more information per dollar spent; Bush has made no attempt to secure adequate additional funding for it. Not to mention that many people think that it will probably never happen anyhow, that it's just showboating by Bush, although that won't repair the damage to US research science in the meantime.

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Not a bad day at all.

We cannot at this time, nor do we have any reasonable expectcation of developing within the next decade or two the ability to, produce a robot with anything approaching human flexibility in a package as compact or as capable.

We cannot do the same jobs with robotic probes anywhere near as well, let alone better.



That depends entirely on what you wish to achieve. If it's just a matter of taking samples and returning, non-manned missions might well be plausible.

Of course, no one has yet satisfactorily solved the radiation exposure problem.

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Of course, when a comet does come around on an earth-intersecting orbit, we're probably all going to die.
Super......adds to list of worries.
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But knowing more will give us any chance that we do eventually have.


Bruce Willis is all we need!

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I say we should send him into space right now.

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Wasn't the Tunguska blast supposedly a comet airburst?

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That's one of the theories, although it would have had to be a small one.

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Not a bad day at all.

We cannot at this time, nor do we have any reasonable expectcation of developing within the next decade or two the ability to, produce a robot with anything approaching human flexibility in a package as compact or as capable.

We cannot do the same jobs with robotic probes anywhere near as well, let alone better.



I completely disagree. If the astronauts were not as encumbered by their Michelin Man-esque suits, you might be right. However, I suspect that a very capable robot could be developed a lot faster and more cheaply than trying to figure out how to get men and women onto Mars alive and then back again, the latter being unecessary with a robotic mission.

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The tunguska blast was tesla! tesla i tell you..

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Not a bad day at all.

We cannot at this time, nor do we have any reasonable expectcation of developing within the next decade or two the ability to, produce a robot with anything approaching human flexibility in a package as compact or as capable.

We cannot do the same jobs with robotic probes anywhere near as well, let alone better.



Agreed.........a space robot would need to be very good at: seeing, walking, climbing, digging, and carrying stuff. Honda's current full size robots are capable of climbing stairs, not falling down, dancing, and hopping on one leg. That's all very impressive stuff but it's on a consistent level hard surface and it's been programmed to a fine detail.

The real limitation for a robot has always been processing information, reasoning, and using logic in a constantly changing environment. If I know exactly what the robot has to do or will encounter I can pre-program or prepare it to best do that task. It's the unscripted things that bring the Honda type robot and every supercomputer ever made to a screeching halt.

A (4)yr old child can stomp the living shit out of any supercomputer in understanding the things that it see's in it's environment and interacting with them. Like walking, running, playing, laughing, falling, crying, learning, looking, noticing, remembering, and avoiding.....and thats just in their own backyard.

We will probably never see that kind of intelligence in any machine let alone a robot. An autonomous thinking robot just cruising around on it's own and taking care of business will never be seen by any of us thats for darn sure.

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Yea Simon what your saying is all true but technology is already about what most can handle now.
I was always against Iraq or any war and the reason why the war is so expensive is because of all the high tech NASA inspired weapons used on them.
It just don't make any sense to me other than glorifying the NASA website and having everyone go WOAH!

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