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Tal, I consider your compassion laudable, but seriousaly misguided. Every rational person living on the gulf coast has known this could happen at any time, yet they stay. Their choice.
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No matter where you live, you're at risk of some sort of natural disaster. Someone I was talking to at lunch today mentioned that Katrina was the 4th strongest hurricane ever recorded. Yeah, you know that by living on the east or gulf coast you're subject to hurricanes, but most are not that bad or cause this much damage.
You might as well say people in the mid west knew that tornados happen, but they choose to stay. Or people in California know that earthquakes happen, but they choose to stay. It's easy to claim that, but you find a place where there's no worry of some sort of disaster before you tell me that they should've known better.
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Originally posted by SimpleSimon
Tal, I consider your compassion laudable, but seriousaly misguided. Every rational person living on the gulf coast has known this could happen at any time, yet they stay. Their choice.
Sorry for picking on you,SS,but I've about had it with the "Why did the fucker's stay" bullshit.
My friend at work still hasn't heard from her family. She can't fly over there cause of the fucking airport.
So why did so many people stay? Picture yourself in your home right now. Well that's pretty easy. Were doing that now.
Now pretend that you are living paycheck to paycheck and your entire life is inside your home. Now you hear of the news of a possible worst case senario. All your shit is about to be destroyed. You just bought groceries,you have no car,and you don't even have fucking bus fare to get to the stadium. And on top of that,your taking care of your grandmother that just recently had her wheelchair stolen. OK. Yea. You CAN find a way over there. Your a survivalist for christ sake. You've been thru hard times and always pulled thru. But you just can't leave your home. 4 generations passed thru this house. You must at least try to save your home so you stay cause at least you can do SOMETHING to try and save your life's work instead of waiting it out in a shelter with nothing to do but worry.
Now they have nothing. A lot are dead.
What would I have done? I would have stayed,man,and prayed that my home would somehow be spared.
I bet most didn't have home insurance cause they couldn't afford it. Now their about to go to the fucking Astrodome 350 miles away so they could....so they could what?
Really. I would rather have died trying to save my home than to deal with what is fucking going on over there.
And all the looting? Maybe if they get any money from the things they don't need,maybe they can get some food when all the help stops and they find themselves living on the streets in Houston.
Yea,Tal. I feel ya. I cry for everyone there,my friends,the building rage in the air it seems from the price of gas cause most of us (or at least among my circle of friends) Barely make it as it is,to this fucking war.
But I try to look to the bright side,but it's hard. The only way it seems to have any happiness sadly is to focus away from all this tragedy.
...fucked up world...
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Originally posted by SimpleSimon
Tal, I consider your compassion laudable, but seriousaly misguided. Every rational person living on the gulf coast has known this could happen at any time, yet they stay. Their choice.
While I wouldn't wish pain on those who stayed despite the evacuation (and I believe LF is right about many of those), I also acknowledge that some of those were knowingly taking the risk. Those few who had the ability to leave but decided not to have my sympathy and best wishes, but not the bulk of my grief and sorrow.
That wasn't really the thrust of my post, though. I'm not in despair as much because of the human suffering, although it is terrible indeed. I'm in rage and despair over the armed rape gangs, snipers preventing delivery of relief supplies, and police prevented from trying to provide help due to having to handle people who can't think of anything better to do than roam around making hell more hellish.
I am profoundly disturbed at the fact that, in the aftermath of a disaster, there are a noticeable number of people who are either so jaw-droppingly selfish or utterly amoral that they would go about raping teenage girls and robbing children's hospitals. Are we really that close to reverting to inhuman behavior?
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Originally posted by Talarohk
Are we really that close to reverting to inhuman behavior?
Not inhuman, friend... just uncultured.
Humanity encompasses the entire scope of human physical and social ability. Some of that is just more compatible to living in a civil society than other aspects.
I do think that we all have the capacity to do terrible things, given the right genetic and social backgrounds and present social context. By the same token I belive that even the basest criminal and social low-life has the capacity to commit wonderful acts of heroic altruism given the right circumstances.
I don't belive in free will per se, but in the freedom to chose from a finite scope of reactions to a given situation.
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the entire scope og human physical
happens to me sometimes as well 
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happens to me sometimes as well
yeah... happens to me a lot. I can cover a full-sized desktop keyboard (sans the tab, shift, enter, etc) keys with one hand, and my fingertips are 40% wider than the individual keycaps, so I tend to make a lot of typos.
Damn lilliputian hardware
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Not inhuman, friend... just uncultured.
Humanity encompasses the entire scope of human physical and social ability. Some of that is just more compatible to living in a civil society than other aspects.
Good point. By definition, it is not inhuman. The distinction is worth making, thankee.
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I do think that we all have the capacity to do terrible things, given the right genetic and social backgrounds and present social context. By the same token I belive that even the basest criminal and social low-life has the capacity to commit wonderful acts of heroic altruism given the right circumstances.
I don't belive in free will per se, but in the freedom to chose from a finite scope of reactions to a given situation.
Cheers
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Well spoken, and it actually does help me to put this in context somewhat. When the rules of civilization are removed, some previously inaccessible modes of behavior become accessible.
You're also definitely right that the capacity for great evil is present in most or all of us. I know it is in me as well, so I guess the test of us as people is what happens in a case like New Orleans.
I should also keep in mind that, while we are mostly hearing about the acts of great evil, there are undoubtedly great heroes as well. There always are.
Once again, mudded, I am indebted to your wisdom and clarity.
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Sorry for picking on you,SS,but I've about had it with the "Why did the fucker's stay" bullshit.
My friend at work still hasn't heard from her family. She can't fly over there cause of the fucking airport.
So why did so many people stay? Picture yourself in your home right now. Well that's pretty easy. Were doing that now.
Now pretend that you are living paycheck to paycheck and your entire life is inside your home. Now you hear of the news of a possible worst case senario. All your shit is about to be destroyed. You just bought groceries,you have no car,and you don't even have fucking bus fare to get to the stadium. And on top of that,your taking care of your grandmother that just recently had her wheelchair stolen. OK. Yea. You CAN find a way over there. Your a survivalist for christ sake. You've been thru hard times and always pulled thru. But you just can't leave your home. 4 generations passed thru this house. You must at least try to save your home so you stay cause at least you can do SOMETHING to try and save your life's work instead of waiting it out in a shelter with nothing to do but worry.
Now they have nothing. A lot are dead.
What would I have done? I would have stayed,man,and prayed that my home would somehow be spared.
I bet most didn't have home insurance cause they couldn't afford it. Now their about to go to the fucking Astrodome 350 miles away so they could....so they could what?...
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Guess what, LF. In the underlined portion of your post above, you have described my life pretty well.
I am indeed in my home. In fact, of the 168 hours in any given week, I'm in it about 156 hrs or more. I do indeed live paycheck to paycheck. I get $944/mo in disability from social security. That's all of it.
I am confined to my home by three primary considerations: 1) Dr's orders to stay off my left foot as much as possible to facilitate the healing of the open wound on the ball of my left foot; 2) lack of funds to go anywhere and do anything (I do manage to get around a bit, usually due to the kindness and financial assistance of others); and 3) being tied to a medication which requires controlled temperature storage in an environment that is usually well outside that temperature range.
I do have a car, which I own because I paid for it myself out of my limited resources due to the fact that it is a practical necessity. There effectively is no bus service here. Don't live with or take care of my g'mother, both are dead.
LF, I have lost everything I owned four times in my life. Every single fucking thing, save whatever clothes I was wearing (which once was a dashiki and sandals), and I learned something in the process. Property is meaningless against my life. Nothing I own, or ever owned, is worth taking a high risk of dying for. None of it.
Early this week, before the storm came ashore, the predicted storm track indicated that it would come ashore just south and a few miles east of New Orleans, and proceed on a nor' northwest track. It was at that time still a category 5 storm. Shreveport is nor'northwest of New Orleans. This is a heavily wooded city on the Red river, subject to very severe damage even from a weakened storm that has come nearly 200 miles inland.
So, we made our plans. I would have left this town by no later than Monday afternoon had the storm followed that track. Fortunately, it did not. I live in a 60 plus year old wood frame structure on a streetcorner. It is downhill into the intersection from three directions, and water in a normal cloudburst can get knee deep quite quickly. The building is totally exposed to wind pressures. Had that storm done as expected at that point, I strongly doubt there would have been a building to return too.
I reiterate - nothing I own is worth dieing for. Nothing I own is worth taking a high risk of dieing for. Anyone who thinks differently about their homes and possessions is, in my estimation, a fool.
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They had nowhere to go,SS. except for the superdome. But yea. Life is far more valuable. But still. They had to have had a damm good reason to stay.
I heard this morning that 100 prisioners snuck in the Huston bus for the Astrodome.
I'm thinking how easy it would be over there to steal someone's identity.
America's Most Wanted TV show will be busy.
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Hawley Griffin
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They had to have had a damm good reason to stay.
as simon said, they are fools
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I remember in 'continuation school', where I lived when I was 14, how we had night-time discussions in the sleeping quarters about how evil we would be when the apocalypse came, and laws became void.
In our fantasies, we would steal, kill, rape, torture and generally prey on the weak. This is probably common with adolescents and/or the alienated, but that's a guess.
I think most of this were thought experiments, and possibly we knew inside that we would never be capable of such things, but still, it seemed to flow freely from within our human nature.
I listen to music, read books, and watch movies that (often with glee) dwell on these subjects. Let's hope it's cathartic.
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Large Filipino
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I'm starting to believe now that they are fools. Watching CNN today and people STILL won't leave their homes even though they were told the water's not coming down and yet what can they do but give them supplies anyway?
They want to live in the sewage with no water and here comes the rescue team and they won't budge.
Shell shock?
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