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Agoust
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"Should Al Gore Concede?"

I had a pollster phone me earlier today--it's one of the pleasures of being on every single Democratic/liberal mailing list and giving money to a handful of them.

*ring-ring*

"Hello, I'm calling from Citizens Organized for Yadda-Yadda. Should Al Gore Concede?"

I'm feeling punchy tonight.

"HELL NO!!! WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR??? HELL NO!!!"

"OK. Thank you and have a good evening."

"WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH??? THE TOUGH GET GOING!!!"

*click*

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GoFuckYourselves!
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quote:
Originally posted by Agoust:
"HELL NO!!! WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR??? HELL NO!!!"

When did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor??

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wonderaz
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You need a newspaper subscription GFY.
Try to keep up with world affairs will ya? The fucking Fascists are going to be camped in your damn living room and you won't even know they fucking own the country.

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GoFuckYourselves!
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quote:
Originally posted by wonderaz:
You need a newspaper subscription GFY.
Try to keep up with world affairs will ya? The fucking Fascists are going to be camped in your damn living room and you won't even know they fucking own the country.

But there's no room in my living room for them!! Can they stay in the den?

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GoFuckYourselves!
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The fascists have ALREADY taken over! Try reading something other than THE COMICS!

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GoFuckYourselves!
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But I'd STILL like to know when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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GoFuckYourselves!
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I think the Germans bombed Pearl Bailey!

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RogueWarrior
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Is it possible for life to END at e conception? If that is indeed the case, I submit that Algore should have conceded before conception. He is a very poor excuse for a human being, and is far better suited to being the puppet of his Communist/Socialist special interest groups than President of the Socialist State of America. If Nader had won it would have been the People's Republic of Greenpeace, and since GW Bush appears to have it now, it will be Federal Democratic Republic of the Reich.

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Spooky
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I think that the best move for Gore is too conced. But to concede in a 'blaze of glory'. If I were his advisor I would say the best move is too concede while simultaneously discrediting the legitimacy of Bush, the electoral process etc.

This would have a number of benefits and also help to neutralise the negetive aspects of a Gore continuation in the race. Continuing will inevitably mean that other states will likely be contested by the Bush team as a counter measure, thus dragging an already too long process even further. If Gore cuts his losses now he is in a better position to highlight the illegitimacy of the Bush administration. The Democrats have enough funding to then make a concerted campaign at rubbishing the Republican agenda.

In addition to this I would say, and I think Chips Jr and Paint make actually agree with me, by stepping down Gore can make an effort to push for electoral reform of a heavily antiquated system that really has no place in 21st Centruy politics. Electoral Colleges, as I have said, before are the favourite voting systems of the extreme left because they can be either fixed, or can produce distorted results. The system, as I see it, was designed to help the smaller statesxz get representation in a world that was non-technological, non-industrial etc. In todays world, and particular in the US, there is sufficient mass communication and media to mean that the political culture can cope with a more direct method of voting for a president.

Stepping down now will also aid Gore's personal image. It would increase his X factor for the next election, which I think he will inevitably be involved in. Electors tend to be very fickle nowadays and if someone is seen as an honourable loser rather than a bad loser then it will boost their rating in public opinion.

Also, and lets be honest, its hardly likely that Gore will not maintain some sphere of influence in the US political landscape even if he does not have an elected position.

Basically I think Gore can cause more damage to Bush by stepping down early. After all the only true winners in this whole debacle are the lawyers.

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BnB
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quote:
Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!:
When did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor??

Forget it, he's on a roll.

"NEIDERMEYER!!!! DEAD....DEAN WERMER!!!! DEAD"

Don't worry Agoust, I caught the movie quote.

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Agoust
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The funny thing is that I believe Gore should have gracefully conceded about a week ago. Oh, well. Pollsters and telemarketers are fun to play with.

Why is Gore still in this thing? I think he must *know* something's askew with the vote tally. Voter exit polls are typically pretty reliable, which is why the networks called FLA in the first place.

But trying to make out voter intent, arguing over dimpled ballots, and delaying the transition to a new administration is doing a great deal of harm. A month's worth of courtroom wrangling isn't worth all this.

Come back in four years, Al baby!

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JoeyCat
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If Al keeps this up, he won't be able to run in the next election. People will see him for the fool he is. Perhaps we should sue him and Bush for keeping this up for so long. Know when to say when.

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Princess_Chelle
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they both should concede
i will be the next president
FREE SEX, POT, AND CHOCOLATE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

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CAL
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I agree that he should concede, but not because he is harming himself for a future Presidential run (I don't think it will happen), but I believe at this point he is hurting the economy by dragging it on. I won't bore you with my reasons (unless requested), but it is a slippery slide that he will be remembered for.

Now, as far as the electorial college is concerned. I believe it is neccesary, especially today. A candidate could bypass any of the smaller states in the west and midwest and concentrate on just the large urban centers to win. By offering a "welfare state" type of government to these urban dwellers, the candidate would easily win the popular vote. That is not the representation that was planned for in the Constitution.

If AlGore continues to undermine the legitimacy of the Bush administration, he will single handedly be responsible for any gridlock or lame-duck Presidency in the next 4 years. He will be remembered for the damage he is doing now.

This of course all hinges on whether or not Gore is able to steal the election...

CAL

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HELL
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Yes, then he should kill himself. Its the will of the people.

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JoeyCat
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quote:
Originally posted by Princess_Chelle:
they both should concede
i will be the next president
FREE SEX, POT, AND CHOCOLATE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

Well, OK!!

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Princess_Chelle
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that was easier than i thought it would be

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Leroy Binks
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quote:
Originally posted by CAL:

Now, as far as the electorial college is concerned. I believe it is neccesary, especially today. A candidate could bypass any of the smaller states in the west and midwest and concentrate on just the large urban centers to win. By offering a "welfare state" type of government to these urban dwellers, the candidate would easily win the popular vote. That is not the representation that was planned for in the Constitution.

So the Founding Fathers wanted 6 people per square 20 miles in Montana to have equal power to elect the president as 600 people per sqaure mile in New York City? You could control an entire states vote with just a handful of villages like that. It seems unbalanced.

Plus, where Gore just barely won the few more of the electoral votes over Bush diverted all the other votes in that state went to Gore. Surely you don't think that is fair?

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JoeyCat
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quote:
Originally posted by Princess_Chelle:
that was easier than i thought it would be

To tell the truth, it was the chocolate that got to me, shhhhhhh

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Spooky
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quote:
Originally posted by CAL:
If Al Gore continues to undermine the legitimacy of the Bush administration, he will single handedly be responsible for any gridlock or lame-duck Presidency in the next 4 years. He will be remembered for the damage he is doing now.

Cal, all opposing political sizes try to undermine the others attempts to right to statute. If the Democrats want the Whitehouse again then they will have to do this, just like the Republicans did to Clinton. Politics is a dirty business.

I don;t agree with you on the electoral college issue, but then I don;t live there so any change would not directly effect me anyway. I am only talking from experience of College votes having more potential for erroneous and disproportionate results in respect to actual proportion of overall votes cast.

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MstrG
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quote:
Originally posted by Spooky:
...by stepping down Gore can make an effort to push for electoral reform of a heavily antiquated system that really has no place in 21st Centruy politics.

There are several things I could jump on here, but this seems to be a recurring theme in recent posts. I don't agree the Electoral College is a tool of the left. What the opponents and critics fail to accept in this argument is: the electoral system strikes a beautiful balance between pure democracy (where a significant voting bloc could potentially hijack an election, much more a left-leaning possibility), and a fractured republic, where each of the "nation-states" acts independently and carries equal weight. That states have should have some identity and autonomy is clear in the US Constitution and the Federalist Papers. The Electoral College provides for this, while still lending credence to the people as the jurors. And of course, you can see this system employed in the legislative arm of the government as well.

When you look at the now infamous "red and blue" map showing the breakdown of counties voting for president in the last election, you can see what will happen if this system is eliminated. Highly populous, mostly urban areas, which comprise about 50% of the US population, will wield an inordinate amount of power. 60% of the states, and more than 2/3 of the counties within them, voted against the popular vote winner, Gore.

Direct democracy is not what our framers intended; this is a representative Republic. And for that reason, the rhetoric about "a mandate from the people" should be eliminated from the current debate. I understand the practical reality of governing a nation split down the middle, but that only further illustrates why the state's powers to self-govern should never be overlooked or obstructed.

Gore doing a kamikaze would only further demonstrate the constant victimization stance taken by the left, and tag him with the loser label. In an interview broadcast this morning, Gore, in fact, said he would graciously accept defeat if and when it came, and work to make sure the transition to a Bush administration was a smooth one.

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Spooky
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quote:
Originally posted by MstrG:
When you look at the now infamous "red and blue" map showing the breakdown of counties voting for president in the last election, you can see what will happen if this system is eliminated. Highly populous, mostly urban areas, which comprise about 50% of the US population, will wield an inordinate amount of power. 60% of the states, and more than 2/3 of the counties within them, voted against the popular vote winner, Gore.

So what your saying G is that if over 50% of the population vote for one person they should be ignored because they only live in smaller geographical area of the country. The fact that they represnt over 50% population is beside the point for you yes?

I mean I agree with you about represntative republic. All I think is that that representation should be proportionately based on the overall vote and not state by state by population. They way I see it, the current system actually creates a democratic deficit as result of its framework. Much like ours does too. Here my party gets 21% of the votes and 5% of the representation in Parliament.

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MstrG
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No, I'm saying by ignoring the weight and importance of the states in how our country works makes the debate fruitless. It's not how we were designed to function.

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Spooky
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quote:
Originally posted by MstrG:
It's not how we were designed to function.

I actually added some to the last one bud above, I don't think you will have seen it. As for this comment dude, I would say it was designed for a very different world to the one in existance today. I realise you are a conservative, but my undersatnding of conservativism is that most have a good sense of fair play and are pragmatists at heart. And on this issue the pragmatic approach would be attempt reforming a system to bring it in line with the world in which it now is.

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