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God will throw you in THE PEARLY GATES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY IN DAMMNATION IF YOU FUCK UP so clearly he dosen't care much about us cause if he did his ass would come down on us and declare martial law or some shit.
But think of all this another way.
GOD is your CONSCIENCE. Your conscience tells you what's wrong or right. Everyone's conscience is unique in everyone's own way. But some people think their conscience is the right conscience so they write a book so that all may abide by that conscience. And if you don't agree,you will be tortured in your afterlife for all eternity so we must save you no matter how painful it is cause life is so short.
And that's why we have religion.
That's why we have war and torture.
God is what we make of it anyway and everyone thinks they got it all right.
If GOD is your conscience,then we are ALL right. From the Christians to the Buddists to Islamics.
Religion is evil cause it's a tool to throw in values you believe MUST BE FOLLOWED BY ALL.
I believe in my conscience. And that makes me spiritual. Even no two christians from the same church think alike. Cause they don't have the exact same perspective of what god means to them.

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No offense, but I think your friend is a fanatic, sometimes those folk get so spiritually gone, they are no earthly good. My daddy suffers the same sickness.
Too many people use religion to hide behind and/or to make themselves feel better, and try to grab hold of a guarntee in the after life, which no one is promised anything but they fool themselfs into believing they are. A good, pyscological closet to hide in for security, full of denial me thinks.
I have no idea personally, daily I change my views but I am ever seeking. I have my own beliefs but I can't prove them a fact anymore than they can.
I do believe we are a spirit inside an earthern vessel, not trapped because with practice we can teach our spirit to trandsend and return to our body and still live. The indians travelled alot in their spirits, me thinks they are more in tune with god, the father spirit.
As far as us humans collectively, we are but a speck of dirt, on a planet, surrounded by many other planets, surrounded by a galaxy, surrounded by a universe...makes you think we are irrelavant in the whole scheme of things.
Humans in general complicate things. They need to add more and more to try to make it make sense. God just 'is', he is simple. He is the wind that gentle blows your hair and kisses your lips. He is the warmth of the sun upon your skin. He is the feeliing you get when you are most content and at peace and 'feel, life is good, I want to have this feeling forever.' He is the comfort on a dark night lying in an open field watching the stars and feeling on top of the earth, you just know this is all meant to be. It's best to just walk your walk of life and not worry of the life after death, but just enjoy this one to the fullest, death is just a different road we turn onto.

T, out of the box. Sorry for rambling.


Edit..as far as god's love for us, I'd have to think it was equal across the board to each of us. It would be obserd for us to think ourself more special to him then any other. If we are all his kids, like I've heard it said, then I suppose he'd love all his kids the same, yet different, like you do your own.

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No offense, but I think your friend is a fanatic, sometimes those folk get so spiritually gone, they are no earthly good. My daddy suffers the same sickness.

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No offense taken. I wouldn't call her a fanatic, but her faith was quite central to her life. As for earthly good, she was a very generous, caring, and loving person. She devoted a lot of time to working for the Salvation Army. She was actually very centered.
One thing which may have helped was that, despite her strong faith, she allowed (and encouraged) herself to question. She admitted that there were any number of things she didn't understand, and she was not at all certain that she knew the will of God for anyone else, or even herself. It gave her humility.

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As far as us humans collectively, we are but a speck of dirt, on a planet, surrounded by many other planets, surrounded by a galaxy, surrounded by a universe...makes you think we are irrelavant in the whole scheme of things.

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That's part of the mystery of her strong belief about God's intimate involvement with her. What you have written above is undeniably true, the universe keeps on going without much regard for us. And yet, she believes (as do I, to some wavering, uncertain degree) that each of us actually matters. If one believes that, it implies something about the nature of God.

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T, out of the box. Sorry for rambling.

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Hey, it's my blog. Ramble all you like.

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If we are all his kids, like I've heard it said, then I suppose he'd love all his kids the same, yet different, like you do your own.

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Actually, I like that. That puts a different face on it, which makes it maybe make a bit more sense to me. Thankee.

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Originally posted by Talarohk [i]That's part of the mystery of her strong belief about God's intimate involvement with her. What you have written above is undeniably true, the universe keeps on going without much regard for us. And yet, she believes (as do I, to some wavering, uncertain degree) that each of us actually matters. If one believes that, it implies something about the nature of God.

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"She referred to a knowledge of God being intimately in love with her."

I have to imagine that the people who planned 911 thought the very same thing. "God loves me, and soon I will be with him." It is a shield that can be used to blind oneself from second thoughts, reconsidering, and deciding for one's self. Look at the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, or even what is happening in a percentage of contemporary Muslim society. It is a way to deflect responsibility for one's own actions, or even to think of the people around you as human beings.

My first roommate in college (not you tal) once asked me, "How can people be friends with you, and at the same time, believe with sincerity that your soul will spend the rest of eternity rotting in hell?" At the time, I didn't have an answer. The more I think about it, the more I believe that religion serves to put a wall between you and people not of your faith. Look at the mormon religion. Young men who have the financial ability to do so go on a mission to convert others to their belief. Fine. However, I would submit there is a profound effect on a person after getting doors shut on you for two years, damaging them to the point where they look inward to members of their religious group for moral support, and lessening their connection with the rest of humanity. When you can write off a person for not following commandments or scriptures, your soul is damaged. And while I believe that I have friends that love me, and family that loves me, it is my belief that saying "God loves me on a personal level," damages my love for humanity as a whole.

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